About kicks and messages plz explain.

**BigGaayAl** · 08-26-2006 09:11 PM

Today I got kicked from the POE server "kicked for fratracide by an admin or kick vote".

Then I played HALF a map, and got kicked for a SM.
That makes about one hour to play like 20 minutes.

I was under the impression that the person who is on the server longest is kicked when a SM needs a spot. There is no way that I was the longest playing SM.

This was incredibly frustrating, and I would like to know if this is an error of an admin, a policy I misunderstood, or something else. Any way, it kills me, and I do not want to go through an hour like that again. And yes I know the obvious solution to this.

Sorry if I sound unpolite, but imagine being in my shoes there.

OMG! Now i have been banned for 3 punished teamkills; 2x the red tag bug, and one guy I ran over without ever seeing. Jeeez fun these new players....
...I can reconnect the next round.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

New players is kinda good but this is awful.

**perry** · 08-26-2006 09:55 PM

Judging by the amount of kicks that were going on, I'd say it is entirely possible that after 20 minutes you were the longest on the server.

The best way to check is to be sitting on TeamSpeak and IMMEDIATELY ask the reason. There's so many messages that scroll by that it's hard to track people down even a minute or two later.

**BigGaayAl** · 08-26-2006 10:50 PM

Thank you for responding Bommando and Perry. As you can see in the first post that I edited, I've now had my first ban ever in bf2. I love it that a first time TG player can kick any law- abiding yet unfortunate player.

I hope I never ever have a night like that again.

Why not remove it? Or for the love of god change it so you can't connect one minute instead of banning.

PS when I reconnected after being kicked for SM, there were plenty of people I never saw before on the server, seems impossible they all joined in such a short time.

**Tempus** · 08-26-2006 11:03 PM

Al, you are not in the banlist. It is an automated ban that lasts one round and is out of our control.

**perry** · 08-26-2006 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by BigGaayAl

Thank you for responding Bommando and Perry. As you can see I've now had my first ban in bf2. I love it that a first time TG player can kick any law- abiding yet unfortunate player.

I hope I never ever have a night like that again.

Why not remove it? Or for the love of god change it so you can't connect one minute instead of banning.

PS when I reconnected after being kicked for SM, there were plenty of people I never saw before on the server, seems impossible they all joined in such a short time.

I know we've gone over this before... The script automatically kicks the non-SM that has been on the server for the longest amount of time. This was done so that people will actually get a chance to play instead of being kicked after just a few seconds.

There is absolutely zero manual intervention in the system. When the server is at 62/64 and a supporting member tries to join, the server makes a list of all the non-supporting members on at the time, finds the one that has been on the longest, and kicks them. Continuing to argue is rather pointless because it is impossible for us to see who was on the server at the time and how long they had been connected.

Aside from any automated kicks tonight, you were kicked for being idle tonight. That means you were sitting on the server taking up a space for 10 minutes without helping out your team. I just looked at the banlist on the server and you are not banned, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

**icky** · 08-26-2006 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by perry

I just looked at the banlist on the server and you are not banned, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

He was autobanned until the end of the round (10 minutes) for TK punishes. That is unfortunate, but we can't remove it. All we can do is punish people for inappropriate use of the TK punish.

**BigGaayAl** · 08-26-2006 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by perry

There is absolutely zero manual intervention in the system.
Continuing to argue is rather pointless...

I was just stating my impression, as what happened made me doubt wether the same script was one server two. Now I know.

Originally Posted by perry

Aside from any automated kicks tonight, you were kicked for being idle tonight.

I know, and did not mention this in my post because it is normal.

I realize that I just had an incredible run of bad luck tonight. Don't you agree?

Two points;

1) I thought that when the server is full (62/64?), people are unable to connect, instead of having to load the map and getting an irrelevant kickmessage afterwards +5 times in a row. Maybe this is caused by reserved slots. I just do not understand what happened there.

2) I personally find banning people one round for three punishes is regrettable. Or as Icky said, it has unfortunate effects.

**perry** · 08-26-2006 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by BigGaayAl

1) I thought that when the server is full (62/64?), people are unable to connect, instead of having to load the map and getting an irrelevant kickmessage afterwards +5 times in a row. Maybe this is caused by reserved slots. I just do not understand what happened there.

Nope, people are able to connect but get kicked sometime during the loading process. That's why there are 2 empty slots - so someone can try to connect and have their PID verified. Other games allow you to force a connect so your PID can be checked and a slot made if the server is full -- BF2 does not.

The kick message is problematic and we are trying to figure out how to make Punkbuster do the kicks so we can show a reason. We've tried in the past and had problems.

2) Banning people for one round for three punishes is regrettable.

It looks like Server 1 is set to 4. I'll ask Tempus to raise it on PoE2. Thanks for pointing that out.

**RocketPunch** · 08-27-2006 12:01 AM

"fratracide"??? He teamkilled me like about 5 times tonight and I forgived him everytime.......

**BigGaayAl** · 08-27-2006 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by RocketPunch

"fratracide"??? He teamkilled me like about 5 times tonight and I forgived him everytime.......

Did I really? I had no idea, please accept my apologies. No TG punished me it were new players.
Guess i should shoot less. -rep for me.

**RocketPunch** · 08-27-2006 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by BigGaayAl

Did I really? I had no idea, please accept my apologies. No TG punished me it were new players.
Guess i should shoot less. -rep for me.

Hey, I just realized that was your game tag, lol. No worries man

. I just noticed that the arti system needs alot of coordination and communication for it to be efficient. Without UAV or Scanner, it is sooo easy to be TK'd by the arti.

**PhoenixxFire** · 08-27-2006 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by RocketPunch

Without UAV or Scanner, it is sooo easy to TK by the arty.

Ask Kilrogg about that

**jmaker** · 08-27-2006 02:27 AM

I still say there's something messed up going on with that seeing as how I get the same message when I tried to join the server when I'm a freaking supporting member.

**[TG] IronClaw** · 08-27-2006 03:45 AM

Hi

I had the same SM issues but got on TS and Perry helped me out.
On another note the POE server was really laggy last nite for everyone in the squad.Is there a problem with the server or was it just traffic?
Pings did`nt seem bad though.

Thanks Perry

IronClaw

**BigGaayAl** · 08-27-2006 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by RocketPunch

Hey, I just realized that was your game tag, lol. No worries man

. I just noticed that the arti system needs alot of coordination and communication for it to be efficient. Without UAV or Scanner, it is sooo easy to be TK'd by the arti.

Hmm my bullets must have had your name on them tonight, since I never even saw an arty as Killrog was in it. I do wonder since I encountered the redtag bug that night if I maybe saw you, (rocketP) in the red as well.

-In response to Ironclaw. I think I had about 5 to 10 fps less than usual on average, getting me stuck between 15 and 30 fps.dwon from 20 - 35.

-Dice did a heckuva job on the reserved slot business ... as perry just clearified.

Originally Posted by perry

Nope, people are able to connect but get kicked sometime during the loading process. That's why there are 2 empty slots - so someone can try to connect and have their PID verified. Other games allow you to force a connect so your PID can be checked and a slot made if the server is full -- BF2 does not.

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