Alll tgers at the same side

Ol'Smoke · 08-31-2006, 08:49 PM

Almost all TGers where on the same side today (6/7 pm est) and I think it wasnt accidently. The other side really got hammered a few times because of that, it's just really unfair. Futhermore it's bad for our reputation and it's bad for the future of the server (at least for these times).

I think we should have a discussion on wheter to allow these things to happen as I can also see some benefits to it, ie better gameplay because you only got TGers in your squad.
Imo EVERYONE that wears a TG tag should squadlead and invite pubbies till there full. I tried it and I got a reasonably organized squad almost everytime.
Once there are ten TGers on, there should be ten squads (sixty players) in good hands. Once we get twelve TGers we can have commanders too, and have a organised game.

I also think educating the new players (or at least showing them how we play) should remain a priority.
Right now were only scaring them away. How would you like to get hammered by superiorly organized squad/teams over and over? It's not fair, it's not acceptable.

**asch** · 08-31-2006, 08:55 PM

It's been expressed several times that during the initial stages of the PoE2 server that we should try to avoid full TG squads. Furthermore, it's in the best interest of the server to spread the regulars across both teams.

On a side note, many regulars don't wear the TG tags, so at times it may look lopsided.... but if you have Beatnik on your team, you're handicapped anyway.

Snail88 · 08-31-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by asch

but if you have Beatnik on your team, you're handicapped anyway.

Viper also...

**Tempus** · 08-31-2006, 09:09 PM

I really doubt anyone tried to stack teams on purpose. Statistically speaking, it's bound to happen randomly from time to time.

**Clodhopper** · 08-31-2006, 10:04 PM

Hmm yes I seen many full TG only squads, aswell as a few TG squads with only 3-4 people in them, but locked... was a bit disappointed to see this

**Trooper** · 08-31-2006, 11:41 PM

So fix the issue dont come on the forums and complain. Seems when ever these topics come up no one attempts to fix it. Jump on TS and say something.

Drizzid · 08-31-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodhopper

Hmm yes I seen many full TG only squads, aswell as a few TG squads with only 3-4 people in them, but locked... was a bit disappointed to see this

Those are usually specialty squads that only require a few members. Example jets, choppers, sniper, and artillary squads. They need to be locked to keep the squad from being disorganized.

This will especially be common in POE with the artillary the way it is set up now.

**asch** · 09-01-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Trooper[SNPR]

So fix the issue dont come on the forums and complain. Seems when ever these topics come up no one attempts to fix it. Jump on TS and say something.

I think he's just trying to bring it to everyone's attention, especially since we're really trying to promote PoE2 @ TG.

Rick_the_new_guy · 09-01-2006, 01:15 AM

@Trooper

Some people can't use teamspeak and the game at the same time.

powersmoker, u remind me of meyself in my younger days, telling it like it is.

P.S. good point, Drizzid, locking squads for logistics is needed.

Santa · 09-01-2006, 01:29 AM

What IS intentional is forming into 6 man squads of only TGers and leaving every other squad completely dysfunctional. Ive tried to get people to spread out over text, but people are just entirely too scared of pubs. Sure, some of em dont have mics, but most of em follow orders.

**Clodhopper** · 09-01-2006, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drizzid

Those are usually specialty squads that only require a few members. Example jets, choppers, sniper, and artillary squads. They need to be locked to keep the squad from being disorganized.

This will especially be common in POE with the artillary the way it is set up now.

Well that explains it, I can understand how that would be for some live practice.

but it was a bit disconcerning to see that and a bunch of 1-2 player pubbie squads. I ended up joining one (Followed by Asch) and I think we managed to salvage some pubbies. But I'd just like to say it's hard to watch when you've got full TG squads running around while there are a bunch of 1-2 member pubbie squads running around at the same time.

When I first came on TG (as a different name, some may remember me as Cornholio(RAM)... I ran around bf2 calling everyone chief) I was a pubbie... I wanted to join squads with atleast one |TG| member in them because I knew that would be a team-oriented squad. If I only seen squads as I did the other night.. I would just leave as at that point it felt I may as well just be playing on a ranked server instead.

That was when I was first discovering TG, rules and SOPS just barely (if at all) on my brain, now I cant imagine playing anywhere else. Point I'm trying to make is there are a lot of people out there that want to play the way we do, but need a little leadership to jump-start them in the right direction. They wont get it in a full pubbie squad. Just keep it in mind next time your hunting for a squad to join. A little work can go a long way in terms of a fresh set of TGers.

Should also mention I still have no flippin' clue how arty works in PoE2 :P Wouldn't mind joining one of those arty only squads sometime and learning !

*cowers away* don't hurt me

BaneII · 09-01-2006, 03:23 AM

In my experience, the squad has to be 66% TGers to be functional and effective. Anything less and you spend too much time trying to impose order while you are getting whaled on. Add to that the fact that we only have so many proficient squad leaders to go around at TG. There is really no way to get proper leadership all the time unless there is a significant number of veterans playing. So yes, there will certainly be times where things are very unorganized on the server. That's just life.

Ol'Smoke · 09-01-2006, 07:13 AM

I have had a squad listen to me i guess 80% of the time now with no TGers on it. A lot of those pubbies listen very well about half of them actually had mics.
I must say I am kind of surprised at this cause it's already a lot better then on a random pub surver.

When you have one guy following the rest will follow also, so when your squad really doesnt get organised all you need to do is invite one TGer over and your set.

When you make a squad, be sure to invite those unorganised squads over, it works really well. If you see a lot of 1 and 2 squads you can always go commander and get them to merge. I did that once now and it worked really well. It took me five minutes but after that we had 3 or 4 full squads.

**ThePenguineer** · 09-01-2006, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santa

What IS intentional is forming into 6 man squads of only TGers and leaving every other squad completely dysfunctional. Ive tried to get people to spread out over text, but people are just entirely too scared of pubs. Sure, some of em dont have mics, but most of em follow orders.

As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Santa here. <Cringe> So, the next time I SL a "TG Stylez" Squad, don't take it personally if I kick you out. I mean for it to be more of a "Learn TG" squad than a veteran squad.

**Grunt 70** · 09-01-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drizzid

Those are usually specialty squads that only require a few members. Example jets, choppers, sniper, and artillary squads. They need to be locked to keep the squad from being disorganized.

This will especially be common in POE with the artillary the way it is set up now.

Agreed, but we should endeavor to include new faces in these squads on a regular basis. If you are SL then ask a TGer to step out and invite a player you don't know...this will go a long way towards bringing people into the fold.

I've been doing a bit more SL of late. Even though I don't consider it one of my strengths in the game. I try to have at least two new faces in the squad...It's important to have some TG presence in the squad because the newbies will fall in line if they see the others following orders.

Rember guys...We are gaining quality players at TG but it's a slow process...Take Hoban Washburn for instance...completely new guy (me thinks) but following orders and playing TAC MOD like a true TG'er

Cheers...

08-31-2006, 08:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ol'Smoke Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Netherlands, Tilburg Age: 29 Posts: 248	Alll tgers at the same side Almost all TGers where on the same side today (6/7 pm est) and I think it wasnt accidently. The other side really got hammered a few times because of that, it's just really unfair. Futhermore it's bad for our reputation and it's bad for the future of the server (at least for these times). I think we should have a discussion on wheter to allow these things to happen as I can also see some benefits to it, ie better gameplay because you only got TGers in your squad. Imo EVERYONE that wears a TG tag should squadlead and invite pubbies till there full. I tried it and I got a reasonably organized squad almost everytime. Once there are ten TGers on, there should be ten squads (sixty players) in good hands. Once we get twelve TGers we can have commanders too, and have a organised game. I also think educating the new players (or at least showing them how we play) should remain a priority. Right now were only scaring them away. How would you like to get hammered by superiorly organized squad/teams over and over? It's not fair, it's not acceptable.

08-31-2006, 08:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
asch Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Mill, SC Age: 33 Posts: 9,969	Re: Alll tgers at the same side It's been expressed several times that during the initial stages of the PoE2 server that we should try to avoid full TG squads. Furthermore, it's in the best interest of the server to spread the regulars across both teams. On a side note, many regulars don't wear the TG tags, so at times it may look lopsided.... but if you have Beatnik on your team, you're handicapped anyway. __________________ \| My Maps Gaming Videos by Tactical Gamers Fear the Frog! \| Kill the Frog! \| An Inconvenient Truth "Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team." -- Tactical Gamer Primer

08-31-2006, 09:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,252	Re: Alll tgers at the same side I really doubt anyone tried to stack teams on purpose. Statistically speaking, it's bound to happen randomly from time to time. __________________ Battlefield 2/2142 Game Officer Contact me with server/player/admin issues. -- Suits are what you wear when doing things you shouldn’t want to do anyway. FROM THE TACTICAL GAMER PRIMER. 3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

08-31-2006, 10:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Clodhopper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 1,474	Re: Alll tgers at the same side Hmm yes I seen many full TG only squads, aswell as a few TG squads with only 3-4 people in them, but locked... was a bit disappointed to see this __________________ \|TG\|Clodhopper - Intelligence is the key, but I'm locked out! "Dude, everytime I see your avatar, I get hungry!" - Leejo \|\| TG on the 360! \|\| Tactical Gamer Primer \|\| Want to be \|TG\|? \|\|

08-31-2006, 11:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,887	Re: Alll tgers at the same side So fix the issue dont come on the forums and complain. Seems when ever these topics come up no one attempts to fix it. Jump on TS and say something. __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

09-01-2006, 01:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Rick_the_new_guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 29 Posts: 1,789	Re: Alll tgers at the same side @Trooper Some people can't use teamspeak and the game at the same time. powersmoker, u remind me of meyself in my younger days, telling it like it is. P.S. good point, Drizzid, locking squads for logistics is needed. __________________ (PO3) Marcinko_R. (BF2 PR .509) Squad Member (CPO) Marcinko_R. (BF2 PR .509) Squad Leader (LCDR) Marcinko_R. (BF2 PR .509) Commander Squad Member pledge to their SL:http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...ad-leader.html Squad Leader pledge to their team:http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...r-platoon.html Commander pledge to their SL:http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...d-leaders.html

09-01-2006, 01:29 AM	#10 (permalink)
Santa Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 3,355	Re: Alll tgers at the same side What IS intentional is forming into 6 man squads of only TGers and leaving every other squad completely dysfunctional. Ive tried to get people to spread out over text, but people are just entirely too scared of pubs. Sure, some of em dont have mics, but most of em follow orders.

09-01-2006, 03:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
BaneII Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 2,424	Re: Alll tgers at the same side In my experience, the squad has to be 66% TGers to be functional and effective. Anything less and you spend too much time trying to impose order while you are getting whaled on. Add to that the fact that we only have so many proficient squad leaders to go around at TG. There is really no way to get proper leadership all the time unless there is a significant number of veterans playing. So yes, there will certainly be times where things are very unorganized on the server. That's just life. __________________ -33rd- BaneII Smokers & Jokers

09-01-2006, 07:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ol'Smoke Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Netherlands, Tilburg Age: 29 Posts: 248	Re: Alll tgers at the same side I have had a squad listen to me i guess 80% of the time now with no TGers on it. A lot of those pubbies listen very well about half of them actually had mics. I must say I am kind of surprised at this cause it's already a lot better then on a random pub surver. When you have one guy following the rest will follow also, so when your squad really doesnt get organised all you need to do is invite one TGer over and your set. When you make a squad, be sure to invite those unorganised squads over, it works really well. If you see a lot of 1 and 2 squads you can always go commander and get them to merge. I did that once now and it worked really well. It took me five minutes but after that we had 3 or 4 full squads.

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