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Discussion: Battlefield 2 / Battlefield 2 - Point of Existence Discussion - PoE2 Concerns - Originally Posted by BHack It's conversations like the one we are having here that make
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    Re: PoE2 Concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by BHack View Post
    It's conversations like the one we are having here that make me worry about TG game play. These forums seem to be a haven for "I had a bad round, I kept spawning and getting killed, it wasn't fair, etc" whines.

    First off, like Bleak said, the arty is NOT difficult to take down.

    Second off, it can't rapid fire. It's splash damage is big, but not THAT big. It CANNOT cover every spawn at a CP with every shot. It just can't. You can certainly get unlucky and spawn 3 or 4 times to instant death, but you WILL get away at some point.

    Third, aren't we talking about the flag that is RIGHT next to the enemy UCB? Didn't UKR have EVERY SINGLE other flag on the map? What the hell was the arty guy supposed to do? You were the very first flag he encountered out of the UCB. There was literally nothing else for him to do. I believe I know which round we are referring to and I was on the Ukraine side. We were completely dominating them and every squad was pushed up against the first CP's as we literally had all the others. We were a mass of targets. We were bunched up. He had almost nowhere else to fire, and even if he did, why the hell would he? Half our team was hanging around 1 CP. A perfect situation for arty to demolish it. Their team was getting obliterated, they were hugely down on tickets, they were fighting TO GET OUT OF THEIR UCB, yet we are complainging about spawning into his arty fire? Why didn't you spawn at the back base as spec ops, get the transport chopper, drop on him, c4 him and call it a day? What would you have done if you were him? Back away? stop fighting to get out of your UCB?

    OR, would you have felt better if he just backed up into his UCB so he couldn't "0 degree" shoot down on you and instead just arced his shells onto your head? What's the difference? You'd insta die the same way. Once he had the coordinates he wouldn't even need a spot.

    I find this ridiculous because PoE makes the "frustrating" deaths of BF2 a much less occuring event. It adds skill and removes much of the "death spamming" that was possible in vanilla, yet we still find something to complain about. Sure the tanks have big guns but at least you aren't dying constantly from obliterating bombing runs, commander's random artillery of death, noob tubes, grenade spamming, etc.

    I can't tell you how many times I've spawned and died instantly. Not a chance to even move. Do I think "gosh, what a jerk! That wasn't very 'TG' of him!" No, of course not, I spawned at a flag under attack and took a risk of dying extremely fast because of it. IT'S PART OF THE GAME.
    You know I used to play badminton. Now when I'd play a friend, sometimes I would know that I will beat him 15-0 if I go all out. Off course I don't do this and instead try some funny things, make the rallies a bit longer, go for difficult shots etc.

    The whole thing is just a difference in how you enjoy competition. Some people will go for the 15-0 all the time, or some people might not think as I do that playing battlefield is supposed to be like playing with friends.

    -The "It's in the game" argument has been used for all of the things that were ever banned on the server.

    -I never asked for admin rules to change or anything like that, where did you see that? Did anyone else in the thread?

    -If you can't stand a post, why not skip it instead.
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    Re: PoE2 Concerns

    It's conversations like the one we are having here that make me worry about TG game play. These forums seem to be a haven for "I had a bad round, I kept spawning and getting killed, it wasn't fair, etc" whines.
    I was with Evo when we were unfairly arty snipped by the big arty gun,
    it spoilt my round !
    and I want to bitch and moan about it
    moan
    moan
    moan
    blah
    blah
    blah
    moan
    bitch
    moan

    ah I feel better now



    PS
    this is an unusual quick of the game with arty being used on a slope at close range, but hey ho, it happens
    like Evo says we just spawned somewhere else, no big deal

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    Re: PoE2 Concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGaayAl View Post
    You know I used to play badminton. Now when I'd play a friend, sometimes I would know that I will beat him 15-0 if I go all out. Off course I don't do this and instead try some funny things, make the rallies a bit longer, go for difficult shots etc.

    The whole thing is just a difference in how you enjoy competition. Some people will go for the 15-0 all the time, or some people might not think as I do that playing battlefield is supposed to be like playing with friends.

    -The "It's in the game" argument has been used for all of the things that were ever banned on the server.

    -I never asked for admin rules to change or anything like that, where did you see that? Did anyone else in the thread?

    -If you can't stand a post, why not skip it instead.

    Eh, your trying to turn my post around to make me sound like I'm not about fair play. You either read it wrong or just felt like spinning things to try and make your point.

    The point of the game, last I checked, is to reduce the other team's tickets to 0 before they do the same to you. Attempting to achieve this goal with mature, likeminded individuals who all agree to follow a few simple rules to make things a little more fair, is why I play at TG.

    The topic we are discussing does not violate any of these simple rules. It is a fair maneuver, just like any other, that is counterable and can be overcome with strategy.

    -Attacking a UCB to exploit a player's initial unawareness, giving him no time to react before you kill him, is unfair (especially if I can't spawn anywhere else!). There is a rule against this.

    -Repeatedly jumping to avoid enemy fire is an exploit of the game engine, unfair and silly. There is a rule against this.

    Maybe you think its stupid to have a battflefield 2 tactics sub forum? Do you also think all that planning we do before a scrim is a waste of time? After all, we spend that time on planning how to beat the other team as efficiently and tactifully as possible. To use your analogy,15-0, if we played well enough.

    I have fun playing the game this way. Sure, I'll get pinned down at a CP and get pounded by arty 3 or 4 times in a row. I think about the situation and react to stop that from happening again. It doesn't bother me, because when I finally execute a plan that stops that from happening, well, that was fun. I just overcame a challenge.

    It's certainly a different outlook than the one you carry. You play at TG for different reasons than I do. Which is fine, I don't have a problem with that. Can you accept the fact that I play more competitively than you?

    Furthermore, when a particular tactic is complained about, can you accept the fact that someone might defend it? Is it ok if I try to point out that it's a fair and counterable strategy? Sure, it's only my opinion. This is a forum, right?
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    Re: PoE2 Concerns

    Oh well...
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