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    E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    The purpose of this posting is to provide a pre-game briefing in the event that you find yourself under my command during tonight's PW PoE game.

    I realize it is a first come first serve process, but I will attempt to CO for two to three maps in a row on the same side tonight starting around 8pm http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=188

    Standing Orders

    If you are a squad under my command please follow these two standing orders:

    1. Do not move out from a captured flag area without a direct order from the CO.

    All squad movements between flags must be under the guidance of the CO, otherwise you are attacking blind. Attacking without CO confirmation leads to one squad attacking a heavily populated target while other friendly squads may well be in a coordinated attack against another target. Unauthorized attacks are an extreme waste of resources and lead to flag loss and point degradation.

    2. If you are given a move-to command, disengage from current situation as soon as possible. Do not concern yourself with the defense of the flag you are leaving behind. If it appears to you that the remaining squad on your team is about to be overwhelmed at your current flag, inform the CO. During a move-to operation, avoid unnecessary contact with the enemy. Your goal is to get to the objective (marker) as quickly in possible with an intact, fully healed, fully armed force. Take care not to arrive at a hot objective without resting for a moment (if terrain allows) so your men have full sprint capability. Do not enter a fight exhausted.

    We will be using the Defensive Triangle Strategy outlined below, with variations and surprises for the enemy.

    I will also be on teamspeak and will use Frap to capture screen shots at 10 second intervals and provide video results, if all works out.

    I do not assume any priority or special priviledge in my intention to CO, this is just FYI.

    E-Male
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    The Defensive Triangle Strategy -- Revised Oct 3

    1. Hold two flags and take a third in close proximity to the first two (try to get all three simultaneously). Allocate one squad for each of the rear flags, and ALL other squads to the forward flag.

    The first two flags are almost certainly to be gained in the opening moments. This strategy does not outline how to get the third if it is already in the hands of the enemy. Nonetheless, aside from the two defending squads that are holding the rear flags, throw everyone else at the third target and chances are that you will have an overwhelming force ratio in your favour. The same attacking group is then immediately ordered to hold and defend the third flag.

    Take a moment to assess your SLs and squad strengths. Everything depends on SLs who will obey orders.

    2. With a reasonably populated server, you can usually count on four full squads and a fifth smaller squad. Order two squads to hold and defend the forward flag.

    3. Your fifth squad is your reserves. Explain the following to the fifth SL – ‘You will be a reserve unit. You will be stationed at a mid-point between our three flags. You will be a rapid response squad, called upon to assist a fallen flag or repel an overwhelming force, or repositioned as a forward defence to eliminate enemy before they reach a flag.’ Give the fifth (or fourth, or sixth, as the case may be) a marker to hold on and return to after each subsequent mission. There are obvious variations on the role of a reserve unit. The point is to quickly appoint and position your reserve unit AND inform all SLs that they are standing by.

    It takes a highly disciplined SL to patiently follow these orders (it is not long before they will be called into action), understand the need to remain equidistant between our three flags – for efficient response time – and return to the station marker after each engagement. The use of vehicles by the reserve unit will be determined by the map and the circumstances. Being able to commit a force unit to attack or defence means that we are able to keep the enemy in a constant state of bleed and respond to shifting attacks without compromising defence.

    I am not saying this is the only way, nor the best way. It is simply the way I will be COing for a while as I test the ‘Defensive Triangle Strategy’. This strategy is defensive in that once we establish our hold on three flags, no further attacks are initiated on the enemy. They attack, we defend.

    Issues:

    I can see the two squads holding at the rear getting a bit bored. This is solved by rotating squads in and out of the back flags ONCE we have established a fairly good lead on the enemy. I will make a point of letting the back flag SLs know that this is an option. Also, the CO can instruct the two rear-flag SLs to send a few men forward to assist at hotspots. On maps with heavy airpower, such as the Highway to Hell, a lack of cover and the large distance between flags will limit our ability to shift forces between flags. This will be dealt with through 'spawn at' orders.

    A squad that is devouted to a flag for a prolonged time will master defense of the flag. This requires patience and a willingness to sacrifice ‘runnin and gunnin’ for the greater good of the team and the battle.

    The advantage of the ‘Defensive Triangle Strategy’ is that it creates a stable situation. A stable environment frees the CO up for more strategic spotting, and allows defending units to gain familiarity with good defensive postures and the habits of the attacking enemy.

    There are many disadvantages to any one strategy, and other COs will learn ways to respond to this, leading to further tactical changes.

    Please also see the related threads which discuss issues arising from the Defensive Triangle Strategy:

    http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...-strategy.html

    http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...-strategy.html


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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Excellent E-male. A very systematic approach.

    As you said, there are strong/weak points in every strat. And the best strat changes depending on the terrain and enemy. But in this case it doesnt matter if yours will be best or not. It is simply an important start point.

    What I admired in your related posts most was your "standardization" approach.

    You put a name, description and simple procedure for a great strategy.

    Regular TG squad leaders following your posts will know and quickly apply Defensive Triangular Strategy (DTS) no matter who is commanding. If active COs like you post a couple of similar strategies, TG will have a library of standard strats.

    In my opinion, you and others who joined you in these discussions made a huge contribution to the "Tactical" part of this community.

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    I'd definitely echo what John is saying here...huge thanks are due for the time and effort you've made in defining this strategy.

    I'll be on later and I'll pick where I left off as SL last night.

    I had a bunch of new guys in my squad last night and we played like it. We lost flags you told us to hold and couldn't take flags you wanted us to take. None of the guys knew eachother and pretty much all were chafing to on the attack after even just a few minutes of defense. I followed command orders as requested but boy did I feel ineffective last night.
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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Male View Post
    1. Hold two flags and take a third in close proximity to the first two (try to get all three simultaneously). Allocate one squad for each of the rear flags, and ALL other squads to the forward flag.
    note to self:

    Self, don't attack the Emale's forward flag.




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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Great write up E.

    I guess I need to start working on a "counter Triangle" thing....... maybe an offensive octahedron of doom............

    Really though that is a great write up and strategy. I look forward to SLing under you and seeing this from the ground.







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    I was going to click the heels of my ruby red shoes together and say "I want to go home. I want to go home."

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt 70 View Post
    I had a bunch of new guys in my squad last night and we played like it. We lost flags you told us to hold and couldn't take flags you wanted us to take. None of the guys knew eachother and pretty much all were chafing to on the attack after even just a few minutes of defense. I followed command orders as requested but boy did I feel ineffective last night.
    I had a terrible time last night with SL discipline, squad 8 would take a flag an the IMMEDIATELY head out for another target, leaving the flag empty. Other squads often performed no better (Exception was Grunt, of course). As a result, we never held any more than two flags for any period of time. Lack of SL discipline meant I was unable to coordinate flanking attacks on back flags.

    Asking a non-TG squad to move to a marker that is not on an enemy flag, or asking them to hold and defend is often like asking them to undergo a sex change. Not gonna happen.

    If every night was like last night I would never CO again.

    I have posted the CO screen video from this battle at

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypgJRQvr8fA

    I am still unable to access my TG ftp site (working on the problem), which I will use to post higher reolution versions. Youtube butchers the resolution and renders squad number unreadable.

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeySix View Post
    note to self:

    Self, don't attack the Emale's forward flag.



    Indeed. Although the enemy CO must be aware that I would have a reserve unit ready for rapid deployment, and of course am anticipating such anticipation, thus will be shifting firepower though the points of the triangle, while also scanning the flags for any approaching mass.

    I have no idea how the DTS will work once we find two full sets of squads, 30 on 30, mostly discplined TG and welcomed regular guests, going head to head.

    As Backlash is working on the offensive octahedron of doom, I will devise a counter-offensive strategy to be called the Mobius Strip of Much Confusion (MSMC), which when deployed alongside the deadly 'silly joke' should prove both shocking and aweing.

    Taking a cue from the book of Bush Jr., permit me to declare in advance that tonight my men have already achieved "Mission Accomplished".

    The enemy CO may gracefully surrender now.

    E-Male

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Male View Post
    Indeed. Although the enemy CO must be aware that I would have a reserve unit ready for rapid deployment, and of course am anticipating such anticipation, thus will be shifting firepower though the points of the triangle, while also scanning the flags for any approaching mass.

    I have no idea how the DTS will work once we find two full sets of squads, 30 on 30, mostly discplined TG and welcomed regular guests, going head to head.

    As Backlash is working on the offensive octahedron of doom, I will devise a counter-offensive strategy to be called the Mobius Strip of Much Confusion (MSMC), which when deployed alongside the deadly 'silly joke' should prove both shocking and aweing.

    Taking a cue from the book of Bush Jr., permit me to declare in advance that tonight my men have already achieved "Mission Accomplished".

    The enemy CO may gracefully surrender now.

    E-Male

    brilliant


    E-male: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I
    know of you: Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his
    own goblet or his enemies? Now, a clever man would put the poison
    into his own goblet because he would know that only a great fool
    would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool so I can
    clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I
    was not a great fool--you would have counted on it--so I can clearly not
    choose the wine in front of me!

    Whiskey: You've made your decision, then?

    E-male: Not remotely! Because iocane comes from Australia, as
    everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And
    criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not
    trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

    Whiskey Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

    E-male:Wait till I get going!

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    I SL'ed last night and could see the beginnings of this strategy. I liked it a lot.
    My only complaint is to watch for giving orders in rapid succession. Once you get a squad going in a certain direction its hard to get them to turn immediately around and go back the other way. We're talking about some people who might be trying this "teamwork" thing out for the first time.

    Still, with TG squad leaders and less 1 man squads i can see this strat working pretty well.

    NOTE TO ALL TG'ers!

    I dont usually like SL'ing but I have been stepping up more often lately.....I would really like to see more of you start squads so we dont have pubbies running them. Too many of these guys will not respond or lead. Theyre just getting around our server rules by this method.

    WE have to lead!

    WE have to report these guys and make room for team players!

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeySix View Post
    note to self:

    Self, don't attack the Emale's forward flag.
    LOL exactly. I'm secretly working on the CDTS. I can't even reveal what the letters stand for because of the secrecy of the project.
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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by freekyE View Post
    I SL'ed last night and could see the beginnings of this strategy. I liked it a lot.
    My only complaint is to watch for giving orders in rapid succession. Once you get a squad going in a certain direction its hard to get them to turn immediately around and go back the other way. We're talking about some people who might be trying this "teamwork" thing out for the first time.

    Still, with TG squad leaders and less 1 man squads i can see this strat working pretty well.

    NOTE TO ALL TG'ers!

    I dont usually like SL'ing but I have been stepping up more often lately.....I would really like to see more of you start squads so we dont have pubbies running them. Too many of these guys will not respond or lead. Theyre just getting around our server rules by this method.

    WE have to lead!

    WE have to report these guys and make room for team players!
    You did a fine job too FreekyE!
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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by freekyE View Post
    Once you get a squad going in a certain direction its hard to get them to turn immediately around and go back the other way.
    Very good reminder. Make no mistake, I am about as fresh at COing as you are at SLing.

    I will try to keep your good advice in mind. The expectations of the CO must match the conditions on the ground. To the CO, we are just coloured dots with no health care or pension, to the grunt on the ground, death lies behind every shadow.

    Nonetheless, conditions are constantly changing, thus orders flow like drivel from lonelygirl15's youtube blog.

    All SLs need to practice more forward-communication. Tell the CO when conditions change, inform when an objective is accomplished, report impending disaster, call for backup before the enemy overwhelms. Think about what your CO needs to know.

    As SLs, most communication is still far to one way. Having said this I do not want to open the floodgates.

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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Male View Post
    As Backlash is working on the offensive octahedron of doom, I will devise a counter-offensive strategy to be called the Mobius Strip of Much Confusion (MSMC), which when deployed alongside the deadly 'silly joke' should prove both shocking and aweing.E-Male

    OMG I almost wet my pants laughing at this!!!







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    Re: E-Male COing Tonight (Oct 3) -- Briefing and Issues

    E-Male,

    Are you going to attempt to CO with DTS this evening for password night? I figure if you can get it perfected on a password night when everyone knows it's coming, then that's as good as it gets.

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