Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

We had a hard time with the flat maps. On one side, we wanted to do the real areas justice as Ukraine is rather flat in most parts. On the other hand flat is not a lot of fun at all. Some maps I would like to redo or rework sort to speak... but I am so focused on our new maps that I just do not have the time.[

Speaking of new maps, all the ones we have shown thus far are set in the mountain area of Ukraine such as Crimea and the south west area. My beach assault map is not flat at all anywhere except for on the water. GA has made a Hill map as has been shown as well which is not flat (This map just blows me away, its going to be the new Fallen). Some maps not shown yet are of urban areas and industrial areas, of which are not flat except 1 but there is a reason for that one.

I totally agree about the cover issue and the Froggy is just a beast. I am not sure if we need more cover or if we need more AA or if we need a mix of both. The specific examples given are great as it allows us to look at that exact map and try and come up with a reasonable solution.

The cap size is a mapper decision. If we make them too big, then players can cap the area without actually taking the flag. For example on Dnister we had made the flags to large and the enemy would get just at the edge of the area hiding behind some boxes or something taking the flag while the defending team has no idea where they are taking their flag from. After capping the flag, they would move out of the zone and allow the defenders to retake the flag which would happen rather fast with 2-3 people defending. Then come back in and take it again and repeat until the defenders could find them.

That is an extreme example. However the cap sizes have been done to the best size that we feel will allow for both defenders and attackers to be fair. We look at where you can hide and take or hold the flag, where you would be exposed, and so on and on. If there is a flag that has this problem with C4 and Claymores more than others then let us know and we can discuss how to fix it.

Also on the subject of Spies, we have no control over the player skins but perhaps we can slightly change the fog color to be more neutral for both teams. I had even toyed with the idea of 1 light APC per team (Boxer) for the map. The whole thing started off for fun BTW being that we loved that movie and no idea we would release it. lol

For Zhytomyr how would you suggest fixing the Hill advantage? Less vehicles for Ukraine? I can always look to thin out a vehicle or two where needed. I do not want to make any major changes (such as heightmap or moving bases) as it was a map done by Xere who is not full time on the team right now. I think he did a great job and the issues can be worked out which will hopefully change your opinions on it.

Please keep the feedback coming.

Specifically Zhytomyr, the key to the map is the Goat Farm. German can never seem to be able to get that flag and with Ukraine owning it, they have free reign to flank the Central Farm. (Putting Armor north and infantry south). Once they own those 2 flags, they can't squeeze back to the Grain Elevator, not enough room. From here Germany gets engaged as they are leaving the UCB and the Ukraine has great cover at those flags. So how does it happen?

Goat Farm has a V shape that blocks german armor from directly hitting the flag. However, the V Shape is a funnel for the 2 tanks that will pick up overwatch on the hill between the Windmill and Goat Farm. It's too open to assault the tanks and there is no cover inbetween. Those tankers end up self-repairing with close to 100 kills between them, maybe a couple deaths.

An acceptable solution would be to put a 3rd building in the way of that position. It may not solve it entirely, but otherwise Germany can't hold that flag due to loss of tickets due to death. Of course, the strategic importance of holding the Central Farm is 50% dependent on holding the Goat Farm.

Apart from that, I would widen the OOB so that the germans have a way to flank the Village Flag or even attempt to drive around and assault one of those flags from a different direction. Having said that, I bet this map would be better as an infantry map, but still would lean Ukraine based on terrain.

Spies Like Us, adjusting the fog, or even making it a daylight map with heavy fog would probably due the trick. What about even creating a denser fog so that visibility is less for everyone. Maybe give the Germans the Smoke Artillery on this map.

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