Re: Punished Teamkills

**icky** · 05-03-2007, 11:25 AM

This is my obligatory post in threads like this to remind people that Punish/Forgive has no impact on scores. The only purpose is to allow the server to auto-kick people who get too many punished TK's.

**Betterdeadthanred** · 05-03-2007, 05:49 PM

Is it possible to kick/ban (hopefully the latter) somebody who punishes a certain amount of times?

**icky** · 05-03-2007, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Betterdeadthanred

Is it possible to kick/ban (hopefully the latter) somebody who punishes a certain amount of times?

So me and my friend get on the server and TK you intentionally 5 times and then you get banned for punishing us? I'm gonna have to pass on that idea. We can take a better approach, I think.

**ednos** · 05-03-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Betterdeadthanred

Is it possible to kick/ban (hopefully the latter) somebody who punishes a certain amount of times?

Alright, look at it this way: at any point during the game, someone can kill someone on their team. This makes room for a lot of asinine behavior, which is why people with too many intentional teamkills are removed from the server. Punishing teamkills, however, can *only occur when a teamkill does*. So, if you check twice before you shoot, you can avoid killing the members of your team, and the problem with punishes goes away. Poof! It's just gone. You won't believe how effective this method of dodging punishes is until you try it.

**sordavie** · 05-03-2007, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by ednos

Alright, look at it this way: at any point during the game, someone can kill someone on their team. This makes room for a lot of asinine behavior, which is why people with too many intentional teamkills are removed from the server. Punishing teamkills, however, can *only occur when a teamkill does*. So, if you check twice before you shoot, you can avoid killing the members of your team, and the problem with punishes goes away. Poof! It's just gone. You won't believe how effective this method of dodging punishes is until you try it.

Checking twice before you set a claymore or mine down does not let you avoid killing members of your own team. And, by far the most annoying punishes are from team members who don't watch where they are going and walk or drive right into the red skull and crossbones. Where are the rolly eye emoticons? Checking twice before you shoot isn't going to make the problem with punishes go away. No poof. It's not gone. It's not effective.

**ANGELofDEATH** · 05-03-2007, 09:24 PM

I think most punished TKs were caused by the punisher(not gun fire TKs, but mines/claymores). I have seen them actually spawn back at the same flag wait for the jeep to respawn, hop back in and run over another mine just to punish. What really sucks, is when a supporting member gets kicked because we are defending a flag zone with a mine field ... and pubbers just dont care :/

Admins can do something about it, and usually will warn them when asked. The real problem is that most people wont ask/report the punisher.

**icky** · 05-03-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by ANGELofDEATH

Admins can do something about it, and usually will warn them when asked. The real problem is that most people wont ask/report the punisher.

Ya, I'm not sure I was clear last time. We can SEE how many times someone has punished. If you just mention a name in chat, we can spot bad patterns in a few seconds.

**Steiner** · 05-08-2007, 08:18 AM

What I am most interested in is really what goes trough the 'punishers' head when he punish a TK that he himself caused - i.e. running into claymores etc.

I mean, do those people really go and rub their forhead against the nearest tree and think,"Yeah, that guy on my own team must really have placed that claymore there just so that I would run into it!"

A perfect example of this happend about two weeks ago when I played on 'Fallen' as a sniper. I managed to get to an undefended German flag [Trenches] without being detected, placed all of the claymores to cover the directions an enemy could spawn or come in from, and then place myself at the edge of the flag-radius. The flag goes neutral when an other player from my team run to the flag and obviously doesn´t know what the skulls & bones mean and is killed. He punish me in spite me saying that I´m sorry.

Immediately upon respawn, the same guy run back to the same flag and still miss out on the skulls & bones - ie gets blown away a second time. Again, he punish.

Granted, this did not happen on the TG-server, but I do upon experiencing things like that feel that stupidity should be punishable. Or at least in cases like that, a warnable offense. Because, if people act like that and have that line of thinking, do they make a good team-member?

**BaneII** · 05-08-2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Steiner

What I am most interested in is really what goes trough the 'punishers' head when he punish a TK that he himself caused - i.e. running into claymores etc.

I mean, do those people really go and rub their forhead against the nearest tree and think,"Yeah, that guy on my own team must really have placed that claymore there just so that I would run into it!"

A perfect example of this happend about two weeks ago when I played on 'Fallen' as a sniper. I managed to get to an undefended German flag [Trenches] without being detected, placed all of the claymores to cover the directions an enemy could spawn or come in from, and then place myself at the edge of the flag-radius. The flag goes neutral when an other player from my team run to the flag and obviously doesn´t know what the skulls & bones mean and is killed. He punish me in spite me saying that I´m sorry.

Immediately upon respawn, the same guy run back to the same flag and still miss out on the skulls & bones - ie gets blown away a second time. Again, he punish.

Granted, this did not happen on the TG-server, but I do upon experiencing things like that feel that stupidity should be punishable. Or at least in cases like that, a warnable offense. Because, if people act like that and have that line of thinking, do they make a good team-member?

The sad fact is that a lot of folks are immature and don't learn from their mistakes. They are the first to blame someone else for their stupidity. You can see this behavior in one or two man squads that will relentlessly assault a point they have no chance of taking. The best thing to do is to switch sides and milk those idiots for all the points you can because in can sit in the same spot, repeatedly gun them down, and they will keep doing the same thing over and over again without figuring out how to kill you in return.

**Magrioteli** · 05-09-2007, 09:54 AM

Of course, accidents happen – but when they do why punish?
If I punish anyone that will be when some dude grease me just in order to pinch my airplane, helicopter or another vehicle. I mean that is a felony, and a team kill done on purpose.

However, if I step over a teammate’s claymore at a flag – as Steiner wrote – it is my fault. Of course, some fellows spread AT-mines and claymores like fertilizer, and sometime it is a drag just to get out of a spot. (No offence Steiner, it is not you).

Some players will never change their way of behaviour in game, and there is not a thing to do about it. We whom do not behave like schm**** have to continue to behave well. We cannot “educate” people if they are not receptive.

There are two words for this team kill issue: common sense.

**Lucky Shot** · 05-09-2007, 10:31 AM

Your preaching to the choir my friend. The vast majority of people who will read this agree with your position. There are some knuckleheads who don't visit our site and haven't had the opportunity to be swayed to your position.

Lucky Shot

**Magrioteli** · 05-09-2007, 11:08 AM

Haha!
Yes. I am an opportunist

Well, the thing is that we cannot change people.
Try to change me.. (just kidding).

**icky** · 05-09-2007, 11:22 AM

BTW, keep in mind that LOTS of people, especially new players, make a simple mistake and hit punish when they mean to hit forgive. So don't be quite so certain that when you get punished it is malicious.

**WhiskeySix** · 05-09-2007, 11:32 AM

Is the default still to punish? (When one doesn't hit pgup OR pgdn) I know it was in vBF2 at one point....

**Grunt 70** · 05-09-2007, 11:39 AM

default in PRM is NOT to punish...if you don't press pg up or pg down.

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