ikonic

He's not gone, he loves us too much :-p

gator skywalker

I know what you are feeling Kil...I even tried to command on a map last night and only one squad would listen. Surprise Surprise it was a TG led squad, Khaerus I believe. I kept telling one squad to defend and the SL kept telling me no. Then another squad refused to attack a flag I ordered an attack on, yet their squad leader would attack via helicopter.
I also noticed that sometimes the squad leader would do as ordered, but none of his/her squadmates would. I recommend quick kicking of squad members who will not listen.
I also recommend maybe a few more admins on POE as I have noticed a little bit more lately that there is not an admin available when I need one. I definitely am NOT recommending myself, but maybe someone like Project who always follows orders and NEVER strays away from the requests of his SL.

Bernout

SLs can certainly take more responsibility for the cohesion in their squads but I think you are right that we need the admins to take care of SLs who are not following commander orders. It is against the rules of the server right? If we want the behavior on the server to improve then it is up to us to do it.

Bernout

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seriousturtle

loved teaming with you in the hind man...spatula pasta looks promising

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Braidedheadman

While I was away resolving some technical issues with my new hardware (stupid X-FI soundcard making a high-pitched squealing noise in BF2 - I'm starting to hate Creative Labs), I will admit that there've been times that I've dissented following CO orders. Never to the point that I say to the guy, "Look, I think you stink as a CO and I just aint gonna do whatcha want."

No, instead if I refuse orders, it's after a conversation more along the lines of things of, "Commander, we've got bleed and hold 4 out of the 5 flags on this map. My men and I in Squad_X are under attack and, indeed, it is we who need reinforcing right away; I cannot accept your orders to attack that last flag while this flag is at high risk of being overwhelmed. Please, advise or recommend alternative orders." <pokes the reject button>

I guess what I am saying is that, while I feel it's important to follow CO orders, I also feel that it's important that the SLs have confidence in those orders. The CO should be prepared to justify his orders with good intel if what he's issuing seems as though it might put the team at a tactical disadvantage, as Zerging around the map tends to do.

I'm not saying that that was the case with you last night as I wasn't there. I also know from having you in my squad that you're a great team player and a valuable asset to have on any team. I guess all I'm trying to say is, and this is for all CO's and no one in particular, just be aware of how your orders are going to be interpreted by the men on the ground. Build a relationship of trust with them and be flexible; most people will respond to positively when you show that there's a need for something to be done on the map.

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kilevvri1

Braided, I understand what you are saying here but, the fact still remains if you tell me you are under heavy fire, and I decide to order you to do one thing, "that is an order." I tend to accept reasons for not following order but most ppl that do not never do give you a reason. Also remember that I am seeing the BIG PICTURE and if I am doing my job as CO correctly things like maintaining bleed, calculating risk, having a solid defense are my main concerns. You can be as confident as you want to be, but If I tell my CO that I think thats an inane order and he tells me thats the order, then I go no questions asked, he might see the BIG PICTURE much better, even sometimes when I feel like my CO has my squad running all around the map.

Case in point I was SLing on Fall about 3-4 nights ago, Mantis was COing all night. He had my MEDICATED squad running in between Trenches, South Cabin, Lumbermill and Crash. At a few times he had me moving in between two contest flags at the same time, my SM's seemed a little annoyed but those were my orders. I might have felt some were wrong at the time but at the end of it all those are my orders, that is what is lacking so much right now. Faith in following orders from the CO, and lack of orders from your SL.

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Braidedheadman

I think I might have left the wrong impression. Just to be clear, let me just say that in no way do I encourage mutiny. My aim is to encourage 2-way dialogue between commanders and SLs. Each might see things that the other is not aware of and each should be flexible enough to reach an accord together. In the end though, you are right about the whole "that's an order" thing. It's in the SOPs and I respect that that and my CO's orders finally, in as far as I'm able to at least Ordering an Arty squad to move/attack the back flags on Crimea is one of those things that just won't work - and yes, I've received and declined that order before.

That said, I think it's equally important that people don't take it personally when their battleplans aren't played out exactly as they specify. Gen. George S. Patton, "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity."

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Rick_Slick

This is the exact quote ANGELofDEATH thought of when he first told me "Hey Rick, go see if there's any claymores over there!"

kilevvri1

OMFG, you are just too much Rick

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Vlexo

Just wondering have you tried playing Project Reality? If teamwork is what you want the PR Devs have almost optimized the mod just for that. Plus there are a lot of TG guys that play PR and generally try to have some tactical fun!

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ProjectNA

^^^ So is it the game, or the fact that a lot of TG guys/gals are playing? ; )

I've seen similar issues on both, depending on who's playing, new release or not, etc.

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xanathemax

I like how every time someone posts about project reality in this forum it sounds like a Jehova's Witness trying to convert people...

xanathemax

p.s. the analogy also works with sith lords (whom I maintain were modeled upon Jehova's witnesses)

ProjectNA

These are really just PR dev posts under pseudonyms : )

I noticed they jump on from time to time on the POE server and pose "hey, checked out PR?"

<kidding, of course>

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imnotacanadian

It helps to be playing with regulars...but its overall the game. You will have the best time on the TG server.

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