Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making - Page 2

**eol** · 11-30-2007, 03:03 PM

heh it happens all the time, Friendly Fire is a part of the game. My only advises are to always keep an eye on your radar and call all your contacts before engaging them. Actually I think I remember the TK from last nite, the guy was apparently a new comer. He TK me and didn't even say sorry then you TK him few minutes later and he punished almost instantly .. Vanilla reflex i guess..

**TheSkudDestroyer** · 11-30-2007, 03:30 PM

Honestly, the map is so important when id'ing a friendly/foe.

Your eyes shouldnt be trusted at that kind of range.

|TG-Irr|Nixon · 11-30-2007, 05:37 PM

IMO, it's better to hold still and hide until you have a clear shoot.
Pros: less chances of missing the target, you don't give your position away and you don't give that enemy something to shoot back at.

**Belhade** · 11-30-2007, 06:43 PM

Let me tell you, I can empty a whole clip at an enemy squad bunched up around a rally point 20m in front of me and miss every time. But when I try to ID an unknown silhouette in a house from across the river Quai and slip the button, I get a one-shot TK.

**Ferris Bueller** · 11-30-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belhade

Let me tell you, I can empty a whole clip at an enemy squad bunched up around a rally point 20m in front of me and miss every time. But when I try to ID an unknown silhouette in a house from across the river Quai and slip the button, I get a one-shot TK.

This is an example of what we call Murphys Law.

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 12-01-2007, 03:19 AM

Murphys law is putting down a mine on 1 foot of hundreds of feet of available flat road and having a helicopter come along 1 minute later and land perfectly on top of that mine

If you tk too much, go medic till you improve a bit. I often tk snipers for some reason, their weird outfit freaks out my enemy detection

Maximise your minimap so that the foreground is obviously hostile or friendly. N is the minimap zoom shortkey for me, bf2 will constantly try to fit the whole map into that minimap but you want max zoom so keep fixing that.

Make the minimap see through, you dont need the map terrain background to it. Only is there any friendly in front of me or not. Its a split second decision and so the more obvious the contrast the better you will do

Still not sure if minimap is going to be removed or not, that would suck tbh

**Catraphact** · 12-01-2007, 06:51 AM

To make you feel better, here's something absolutely stupid that I did. I was commander of the Chinese team on a round, we won the map, and on the new map, I became commander of the USMC team.

For some reason, I still thought I was on the Chinese team. I was deploying a bunker when I noticed a HMMV next to me with the driver's seat manned. I freaked out and shot the driver at point blank 12-15 times in the face with burst fire......then I realised....that was a friendly as I was on the USMC team.

Apologies to Sabre Tooth Tiger!

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 12-01-2007, 07:30 AM

I did wonder what I did wrong

I often forget Ive changed teams too though

**A.WICKENS** · 12-01-2007, 12:26 PM

On things stupid, I shot our commander truck with HAT in a blind panic, unfortunately Commander was driving at the time. He was very gracious about the whole thing which was surprising as I could provide no plausible excuse for my freak out.

**Portable.Cougar** · 12-01-2007, 12:40 PM

Al Basrah yesterday.

Load up the bridge with C-4

Someone Spots a Truck and APC moving towards it.

Girlfriend comes in the room.

Somthing drives by on the bridge

BOOM

2 TK's

2 Punish's

Me no longer in server.

**Bernout** · 12-01-2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Portable.Cougar

Al Basrah yesterday.

Load up the bridge with C-4

Someone Spots a Truck and APC moving towards it.

Girlfriend comes in the room.

Somthing drives by on the bridge

BOOM

2 TK's

2 Punish's

Me no longer in server.

Well, hopefully your girlfriend made it up to you.

Bernout

knewman · 12-01-2007, 04:03 PM

The dark beards of the mec soldiers stand out the most to me, kind of a strange thing to look for huh? But it works, I usually only get a TK every 3 rounds or so.

**w.WAREHOUSE** · 12-01-2007, 04:19 PM

I take the drastic approach of spamming a quick spot, fall prone to the ground, then fire or frag out, while shouting in team chat "action short range!"

worst case scenario i get shot first, watch the guy get pounced on by my squad, and then get rezzed by a medic. The spot helps everone in squad know the direction to look for more unspotted enemies...but i do find myself at times thinking..."damn, i could have just shot the dude..."

Ive heard that after next patch spotting will get disabled, and I'll have to change my plans to just going prone while checking the minimap instead of spam-spotting. I'll probably still spot a dot anyways, just to let my team know where to look.

Cold_Viking · 12-02-2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0

Call it the "fog of war"

See signature for details. I hate that dang fog.

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As far as the minimap thing, it's a great tool I know that - but at ranges of 10-20 meters and mixed enemy/friendly squads, there's no help from it.

I just need to work on my model recognition a bit more. Perhaps flash cards? ..... no.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoorGunner53E

You should have given a "S.M.E.A.C" report to the higher authorities. Followed by a "S.A.L.U.T.E." report to the "JFCOM", then we all could have gotten a "WARNING ORDER" to be initalized after the "AOR UNITS" decided to act upon it. Now we have to call in a "CASEVAC", (Hope you remember all the line items) to help the poor sap you mistakenly wounded, and since you are down 1 man, now you need to "CFF" to support air units in and out. Dont expect any "NAM" because this rates a "B.C.D" (Big Chicken Dinner) ***Be careful, sometimes we use the weapons the insurgents use" :-) Just Jokes Viking.

Oh, naturally. And don't get me started about escorting civilians. Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, keep the PC on the QT. 'Cause if it leaks to the MEC he could end up MIA, and then we'd all be put out in KP.

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 12-02-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cold_Viking

As far as the minimap thing, it's a great tool I know that - but at ranges of 10-20 meters and mixed enemy/friendly squads, there's no help from it.

You may or may not be aware of this, but you can zoom the minimap so when you're in close-quarters you can distinguish the location of friend and foe. My keyboard is still set to the default mapping of "N".

11-30-2007, 03:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
eol Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris IV Posts: 132	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making heh it happens all the time, Friendly Fire is a part of the game. My only advises are to always keep an eye on your radar and call all your contacts before engaging them. Actually I think I remember the TK from last nite, the guy was apparently a new comer. He TK me and didn't even say sorry then you TK him few minutes later and he punished almost instantly .. Vanilla reflex i guess.. __________________ Last edited by eol; 11-30-2007 at 06:54 PM. Reason: missp3lling :x

11-30-2007, 03:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
TheSkudDestroyer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,855	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making Honestly, the map is so important when id'ing a friendly/foe. Your eyes shouldnt be trusted at that kind of range. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Skud, NA Deputy Lead Tester To Hell and Back: The untold story of having your Dick Blonov PR Supporting Members! \| I love TG - You do too!

11-30-2007, 05:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
\|TG-Irr\|Nixon Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 154	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making IMO, it's better to hold still and hide until you have a clear shoot. Pros: less chances of missing the target, you don't give your position away and you don't give that enemy something to shoot back at. __________________

11-30-2007, 06:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
Belhade Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York (no, not the city) Age: 30 Posts: 999	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making Let me tell you, I can empty a whole clip at an enemy squad bunched up around a rally point 20m in front of me and miss every time. But when I try to ID an unknown silhouette in a house from across the river Quai and slip the button, I get a one-shot TK. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Belhade

12-01-2007, 03:19 AM	#21 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: eurasia Posts: 2,212	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making Murphys law is putting down a mine on 1 foot of hundreds of feet of available flat road and having a helicopter come along 1 minute later and land perfectly on top of that mine If you tk too much, go medic till you improve a bit. I often tk snipers for some reason, their weird outfit freaks out my enemy detection Maximise your minimap so that the foreground is obviously hostile or friendly. N is the minimap zoom shortkey for me, bf2 will constantly try to fit the whole map into that minimap but you want max zoom so keep fixing that. Make the minimap see through, you dont need the map terrain background to it. Only is there any friendly in front of me or not. Its a split second decision and so the more obvious the contrast the better you will do Still not sure if minimap is going to be removed or not, that would suck tbh __________________ ___________ *WWII German infantry weapons in detail*

12-01-2007, 06:51 AM	#22 (permalink)
Catraphact Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 100	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making To make you feel better, here's something absolutely stupid that I did. I was commander of the Chinese team on a round, we won the map, and on the new map, I became commander of the USMC team. For some reason, I still thought I was on the Chinese team. I was deploying a bunker when I noticed a HMMV next to me with the driver's seat manned. I freaked out and shot the driver at point blank 12-15 times in the face with burst fire......then I realised....that was a friendly as I was on the USMC team. Apologies to Sabre Tooth Tiger!

12-01-2007, 07:30 AM	#23 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: eurasia Posts: 2,212	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making I did wonder what I did wrong I often forget Ive changed teams too though __________________ ___________ *WWII German infantry weapons in detail*

12-01-2007, 12:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
A.WICKENS Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South East coast of England Age: 35 Posts: 250	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making On things stupid, I shot our commander truck with HAT in a blind panic, unfortunately Commander was driving at the time. He was very gracious about the whole thing which was surprising as I could provide no plausible excuse for my freak out.

12-01-2007, 12:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
Portable.Cougar Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So. California Posts: 458	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making Al Basrah yesterday. Load up the bridge with C-4 Someone Spots a Truck and APC moving towards it. Girlfriend comes in the room. Somthing drives by on the bridge BOOM 2 TK's 2 Punish's Me no longer in server. __________________ \|TG-X\| Portable.Cougar "Hi, My name is Cougar and I waste tax dollars Shooting Infi with HAT" 10th Tactical Guard Server Rules and SOP \| Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST! Contact an Admin \| Nominate your teammates for a ribbon

12-01-2007, 04:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
knewman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 116	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making The dark beards of the mec soldiers stand out the most to me, kind of a strange thing to look for huh? But it works, I usually only get a TK every 3 rounds or so. __________________ Watch your fire, be safe. Last edited by knewman; 12-01-2007 at 04:22 PM.

12-01-2007, 04:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
w.WAREHOUSE Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 558	Re: Advice needed: Shoot/No Shoot decision making I take the drastic approach of spamming a quick spot, fall prone to the ground, then fire or frag out, while shouting in team chat "action short range!" worst case scenario i get shot first, watch the guy get pounced on by my squad, and then get rezzed by a medic. The spot helps everone in squad know the direction to look for more unspotted enemies...but i do find myself at times thinking..."damn, i could have just shot the dude..." Ive heard that after next patch spotting will get disabled, and I'll have to change my plans to just going prone while checking the minimap instead of spam-spotting. I'll probably still spot a dot anyways, just to let my team know where to look. __________________ In-game squad name: DEVILS

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