My Ranting / Complaining - Page 2

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 01-03-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Morganan

I'm only going to comment about this..

suppression is a mis-used term.

"Suppressive fire (also known as covering fire) is a term used in military science for firing weapons at or in the direction of enemy forces with the primary goal of reducing their ability to defend themselves or return fire, by forcing them to remain under cover."

The concept of suppression fire goes under the assumption your enemy doesn't want to die, and will take cover when you shoot at him. Adding that stupid haze since this is a video game and people mostly don't care about dying like they do "in reality" is quite silly in it's current incarnation.

People will end up just abusing this "feature" like I found out last evening...

I had a guy last night shooting a SAW at extreme long range at me via a binoc's sighting and I got the stupid haze from 658 meters. That's not suppressive fire, that's wild-assed shooting and taking advantage of game mechanic's that haven't been properly tested to give the desired effect using improper methods..

I stand by the combination of the "haze" and deviation of aim after movement are intended to help suppression. Sure, some players aren't afraid of dying, but if they can't see straight and their aim is off, they should be more inclined to either seek cover or remain under it. The devs have stated that .7 is about fire and maneuver, and the haze/deviation permits that.

TheSkilledOne · 01-03-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0

I stand by the combination of the "haze" and deviation of aim after movement are intended to help suppression. Sure, some players aren't afraid of dying, but if they can't see straight and their aim is off, they should be more inclined to either seek cover or remain under it. The devs have stated that .7 is about fire and maneuver, and the haze/deviation permits that.

Im fine with Haze if it is from a Machine gun. But when someone who takes 6-7 shots to kill me with a AK but I can't return fire because his first shot hit 7 feet behind me. Thats what kills me. I feel it is just over done for some weapons

TerribleOne · 01-03-2008, 03:13 PM

I feal all of these complaints are minor and us gamers will adjust appropiatly.

And Dirtboy I like your sig, looks like she is a handful, hopefully not your girlfriend though.

**w.WAREHOUSE** · 01-03-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TerribleOne

And Dirtboy I like your sig, looks like she is a handful, hopefully not your girlfriend though.

HAHAH i just saw that!

**caffeine** · 01-03-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TerribleOne

And Dirtboy I like your sig, looks like she is a handful, hopefully not your girlfriend though.

She be a he

Morganan · 01-03-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0

I stand by the combination of the "haze" and deviation of aim after movement are intended to help suppression. Sure, some players aren't afraid of dying, but if they can't see straight and their aim is off, they should be more inclined to either seek cover or remain under it. The devs have stated that .7 is about fire and maneuver, and the haze/deviation permits that.

That's fine, but there needs to be caps on the max distance that haze can occur. SAW's landing hits at extreme range is a luck factor, but the haze is a 100% guaranteed occurance.

In the end I'll probably end up uninstalling the mod again anyway for reasons that have nothing to do with this so I guess it really isn't worth arguing about in the grand scheme.

Human Shield · 01-03-2008, 03:38 PM

I think the large maps should have as much armor and transport as the wetlands map had.

Put 9 or more APCs on Kashan, that way you could move a column of APCs to a point and chances are you get some infantry to cover. Getting stuck in pixel snipe matches in the mountains is no fun.

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 01-03-2008, 03:38 PM

Capt'n: Agreed - just trying to relate what I've read on the PR forums and my interpretation of the DEVs intent.

I haven't experienced haze from bullets hitting behind yet - none seem to miss me currently LOL

**MacMurchu** · 01-03-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Morganan

That's fine, but there needs to be caps on the max distance that haze can occur. SAW's landing hits at extreme range is a luck factor, but the haze is a 100% guaranteed occurance.

650m is well within the SAW's effective range for a point target and because of it's high rate of fire you might have seen 1 shot landing a bit off but not the one that landed closer to you a fration of a second later causing the blur.

Morganan · 01-03-2008, 05:11 PM

You don't actually "see" 650 meters in the game, so how in the hell can you effectively fire a weapon past your sight range? We aren't talking about laser guided or anything of that nature, but a simple automatic weapon.

Don't confuse "reality" with "project reality".

**llPANCHOll** · 01-03-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0

I haven't experienced haze from bullets hitting behind yet - none seem to miss me currently LOL

LOL... I use supressing fire.. i like the fact that when Im pouring bullets just above the head of someone hunkered in a ditch.. that they are less likely to defend themselfs from the guy thats running at them. Or that the medic will have time to get the SL back up. What is going to take some getting used to is the delay in accuracy that happens when you bring the rifle up to your eye to look down the sights. (I've noticed its not just after sprinting) I will have to train myself to shoot from the hip more.

I am looking forward the the resolution of the Nade Sounds though...

**BigGaayAl** · 01-04-2008, 11:45 PM

I think the suppression is very well done. In the previous version with all teh scoped rifles, it was impossible to use the saw at its intended range. Perhaps it can be more effective now at its vital role.

It is furthermore quite possible by the way to shoot someone while blurred, I've done so often enough.

On a third not I can say I would definitely react on a viceral level if bulets impact a meter or two away from me.

Perhaps people will now use support weapons at range instead of just cqb.

Morganan · 01-05-2008, 03:14 AM

Each weapon should have it's "sweet zone".

Unscoped rifles should be the best out to say 150 meters. Give the SAW an extra 50 meters to 200m. The SAW is obviously the best weapon in this range.

Then scoped rifles (rifleman or officer) should excel at 150m to 300m.

Marksman kit from 300-600m

Sniper kit at >600m.

Inside of 200m, hell, even double that to 400m, the supression should be a factor in a firefight. Outside of that, it simply shouldn't be. It really should work similar to that for all weapons and their "supression factor". (double their max "effective range" for their supression.)

Other then the supression factor and the few bugs (the best is where you cant request a kit standing beside me while I can and you get no message as to why you can't get a kit) This version I have to admit is very well done.

**BigGaayAl** · 01-05-2008, 07:32 AM

Don't forget that BF2 meters are actually closer to feet than actual meters.

**Ghost Dog** · 01-05-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Morganan

The SAW is obviously the best weapon in this range.

The SAW is way overpowered in 0.7... I did some testing on Kashan Insurgency last night and it barely has any recoil, doesn't matter if your proned, crouched or standing up... you can easily control it on full auto.

This doesn't make sense at all, a SAW can be fired without any recoil and a G3 goes straight up in the air. I 've played a few rounds with the SAW and it 's definitely the best weapon on the field.

01-03-2008, 03:13 PM	#18 (permalink)
TerribleOne Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 39	Re: My Ranting / Complaining I feal all of these complaints are minor and us gamers will adjust appropiatly. And Dirtboy I like your sig, looks like she is a handful, hopefully not your girlfriend though.

01-03-2008, 03:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
Human Shield Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50	Re: My Ranting / Complaining I think the large maps should have as much armor and transport as the wetlands map had. Put 9 or more APCs on Kashan, that way you could move a column of APCs to a point and chances are you get some infantry to cover. Getting stuck in pixel snipe matches in the mountains is no fun.

01-03-2008, 03:38 PM	#23 (permalink)
d1sp0sabl3H3r0 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Suburban Chicago Age: 42 Posts: 1,494	Re: My Ranting / Complaining Capt'n: Agreed - just trying to relate what I've read on the PR forums and my interpretation of the DEVs intent. I haven't experienced haze from bullets hitting behind yet - none seem to miss me currently LOL __________________ \|TG-X\|d1sp0sabl3 It's all MY fault, so deal with it! TG-X \| PR Server Rules \| TG SOPs \| Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Contact an Admin Expand your gaming horizons - TGU \| How to nominate your teammates for a ribbon \| Thinking of putting on TG tags? READ THIS FIRST!!!! The TG Primer To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

01-03-2008, 05:11 PM	#25 (permalink)
Morganan Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 37 Posts: 491	Re: My Ranting / Complaining You don't actually "see" 650 meters in the game, so how in the hell can you effectively fire a weapon past your sight range? We aren't talking about laser guided or anything of that nature, but a simple automatic weapon. Don't confuse "reality" with "project reality".

01-04-2008, 11:45 PM	#27 (permalink)
BigGaayAl Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: gent, belgium Posts: 1,430	Re: My Ranting / Complaining I think the suppression is very well done. In the previous version with all teh scoped rifles, it was impossible to use the saw at its intended range. Perhaps it can be more effective now at its vital role. It is furthermore quite possible by the way to shoot someone while blurred, I've done so often enough. On a third not I can say I would definitely react on a viceral level if bulets impact a meter or two away from me. Perhaps people will now use support weapons at range instead of just cqb. __________________ Thanks to whom made the button beneath my name appear. This is my "depressed stance." When you're depressed, it makes a lot of difference how you stand. The worst thing you can do is straighten up and hold your head high because then you'll start to feel better. If you're going to get any joy out of being depressed, you've got to stand like this. ~Charlie Brown

01-05-2008, 03:14 AM	#28 (permalink)
Morganan Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 37 Posts: 491	Re: My Ranting / Complaining Each weapon should have it's "sweet zone". Unscoped rifles should be the best out to say 150 meters. Give the SAW an extra 50 meters to 200m. The SAW is obviously the best weapon in this range. Then scoped rifles (rifleman or officer) should excel at 150m to 300m. Marksman kit from 300-600m Sniper kit at >600m. Inside of 200m, hell, even double that to 400m, the supression should be a factor in a firefight. Outside of that, it simply shouldn't be. It really should work similar to that for all weapons and their "supression factor". (double their max "effective range" for their supression.) Other then the supression factor and the few bugs (the best is where you cant request a kit standing beside me while I can and you get no message as to why you can't get a kit) This version I have to admit is very well done.

01-05-2008, 07:32 AM	#29 (permalink)
BigGaayAl Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: gent, belgium Posts: 1,430	Re: My Ranting / Complaining Don't forget that BF2 meters are actually closer to feet than actual meters. __________________ Thanks to whom made the button beneath my name appear. This is my "depressed stance." When you're depressed, it makes a lot of difference how you stand. The worst thing you can do is straighten up and hold your head high because then you'll start to feel better. If you're going to get any joy out of being depressed, you've got to stand like this. ~Charlie Brown

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