Should the TG tag be restricted? - Page 3

**Red** · 02-29-2008, 09:48 AM

My opinion is that good behavior spreads and is contagious, even if a player add the TG tags on their own it can make a difference in how players behave, first as a individual player and then how players act around that player, I think TGs philosophy is excellent, let people them self make the decision and you eventually will get a better server as the group mentality and self policing will help the admin in their otherwise almost impossible job.

Very strict rules and hard handed administration just is very likely to alienate good team players as we recently have seen when in my opinion maybe TG went to far (I dont know the detail) and lost some great team players.

In my view the goal should not be to impose rules like a magistrate the goal is to have a great playing experience with some rules to enhance it, that still means lots of work for the admins to get the worst offenders away from the server and act as role models.

I think the TG admins have overall done an incredible job keeping this balance. Thats what makes TG great do not change it.

Delta*RandyShugart* · 03-03-2008, 04:41 PM

I know there are those few players who put the |TG| tag on that don't completely understand what it means to be a TG player, in hopes that if they want to act like an idiot it will give them breathing room etc and maybe not be noticed by admins that are online. However, The players that I know who sport the Tag, are those who I know from playing with for a long time as well as those who post on the TG PR forums.....that to me shows that they are not just using it for their own personal use but to spread what they have learned on the server and post to inform/comment.

The other night, i had a player who had a TG tag, on and I was speaking with other people in my squad about some posts on the forum and this player chimed in and said, I haven't registered i just like wearing the tag. That struck me.....why wear something if you don't know anything about it....lets say hypothetically it was opposite day and if you wore the |TG| tag you immediately got banned.......but if it was posted on the forums or if you were on TS you would know what was going on.......*i did instruct the player to check out the forums etc, because all the questions he has would be answered etc* - just wanted to clear that up.

That being said before becoming part of the 6th I didn't wear the TG tag, i wore a BHD tag to pay tribute to randy shugart who was in the battle that the book BlackHawk Down was written about, but the only real way to become part of the community is to register and post, there are those who don't, and they are known on the server, and some are excellent players but to truly understand what it means to wear the |TG| tag is to read and re-read what is stated in the procedure and guidelines.

And we all it all to the BF2 PR admins and the upper echelon of the high admins who keep this community alive and growing each day.

**TheSkudDestroyer** · 03-03-2008, 10:05 PM

The |TG| tag is more than understanding rules and SOP's. It's about our community.

It's about stepping up. If there are no good squads - make one yourself.
It's about leadership. If you use VoIP and are a regular on the server for a while, you owe it to the community to help out new members and show them the ropes in game.
It's about contribution to thousands of other people. You write, you work on projects, you organize, you submit work, you read and reply to important threads.
It's about knowing the rules and never being afraid to type !reporting even if its a regular.

It goes on and on.

Never, ever ever EVER grow complacent with something wrong or questionable. Don't shrug things off. Use the appropriate channels to bring problems to admins, other players, and any other person who will discuss it with you. Nothing will change or get fixed if you never take the reigns yourself.

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-03-2008, 11:11 PM

Skud is right, but everything that has been said in all the replies can be summed up in one simple concept:
The TG tag isnt about you. It's about the community. If you cant see fit to put the community before yourself, take the tag off.

Fenian420 · 03-14-2008, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

The |TG| tag is more than understanding rules and SOP's. It's about our community.

It's about stepping up. If there are no good squads - make one yourself.
It's about leadership. If you use VoIP and are a regular on the server for a while, you owe it to the community to help out new members and show them the ropes in game.
It's about contribution to thousands of other people. You write, you work on projects, you organize, you submit work, you read and reply to important threads.
It's about knowing the rules and never being afraid to type !reporting even if its a regular.

It goes on and on.

Never, ever ever EVER grow complacent with something wrong or questionable. Don't shrug things off. Use the appropriate channels to bring problems to admins, other players, and any other person who will discuss it with you. Nothing will change or get fixed if you never take the reigns yourself.

*applause*

Bringin this back up because today on server I noticed 2 guys wearing TG tags, one was the driver of a tank, he was talking and all but he was telling his gunner to shut up and he'll drive where he wants, he ended up driving straight off the edge of a river bank right into the water, when he respawned he just said he didnt care and that the gunner shouldve shut his mouth, that he got annoyed and just felt like driving into the river..
Another case the same day was a SL who just didnt listen to his squadmates what so ever the consequences of this was that we had to spawn on the main base every death because he wouldnt set up a RP even when 3 people were on him telling him to put it down.
Need some filtering within the community itself, I'm not sure what the cause for the problem is whether its just guys jerkin everybody off or if they sincerely dont know the game as well/just came from vanilla or arent tacticlly/militarily smart

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-14-2008, 02:48 AM

Fenian, if you see people misrepresenting the tag, please report it. One of the cardinal things behind wearing the tag is that you have to act like a mature human being, play in a tactical and team oriented sense, and respect your fellow players, regardless of their tag or experience level. What you described is two instances of people not doing that. Now, they may not be asked to remove the tag, but they will certainly be talked to about the incidents. While the overwhelming point of this thread is that the tag should not and will not be restricted, there are still those that are going to use the tag without understanding what it means to wear it. Those people often need to be, well, educated in exactly what responsibility comes with that particular piece of territory.

**kilroy0097** · 03-14-2008, 05:58 AM

I would like to point out that reporting a player does not mean you have to report them in game. It could also mean you contact an admin in the Admin section of the forums and report them there with as much Proper English Detail as possible. There is a reason why the Admin forum section is Private and only you can see your own posts. It's for your protection as well as the protection of those you report on. Anonymity is a good thing in this regard.

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 03-14-2008, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undeadcomrade

i do not think that a solider wearing the [TG] tag should be banned, permently banned just giving a warning and then kicked for 0 minutes the reason for this is because like me a lot of people find that only the TG servers rules fit them and my friends computer wont work on any other servers

Wrong!

You put the TG tags on, you are held to a higher standard than those that do not wear it, because wearing signifies:

1) You have read the rules and SOPs
2) You agree to uphold and abide by those rules
3) You agree with the TG philosophy and to play that way

Sorry, but the reality is that if you wear the TG tags and are caught knowingly breaking a server rule, you are going on vacation for a while. It's happened before and I expect it will happen again.

|TG| is not a "get out of jail free" card - it is, in fact, the exact opposite.

google · 03-14-2008, 12:04 PM

I agree with Disposable that those three points are needed to even play on the TG server. Those semi-strict rules and philosophy are what make the server so popular and a great enviroment for teamwork.

Shafty · 03-14-2008, 12:30 PM

Off topic, but can I say that I read the forums all day today at work and cannot wait to get home and get it on in the TG server.

(also want to see if my ribbon shows up on post.)

Shafty

Fenian420 · 03-14-2008, 10:52 PM

Alright yea, I was thinking about reporting the tank driver, not sure why I didnt, if I was just tired, didnt entirely want to snitch on him (although ive never noticed him before), and w\e else reason(s) i didnt..

The SQL wearing the TG tag just seemed kind of oblivious to it.. Heavy European accent with an all American squad. He didnt say that he was trying to learn how to lead a squad or anything but it almost seemed like it so I think that was the reason I didnt want to report him at all...

**O=T-M-A-N=O** · 03-15-2008, 02:06 AM

I think wearing the TG tag is about playing the TG way and abiding by the rules of the server and more importantly the community we are all a part of here at TG. I would hope those that are serious enough to play PR in the first place know that it is for gamers looking for more and are ready to give it more than a selfish gaming stint. I would also hope that those wearing the TG tag step up to the minimal contribution to the community that keeps the awesome server up and running for PR.

I agree that it should be a badge of honor and commitment to our code and rules, not a clan or a membership in the traditional sense.

Ben Franklin said: They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

I think trying to secure the TG tag with anything other than honor is foolish.

JCTango · 03-15-2008, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilroy0097

I would like to point out that reporting a player does not mean you have to report them in game. It could also mean you contact an admin in the Admin section of the forums and report them there with as much Proper English Detail as possible. There is a reason why the Admin forum section is Private and only you can see your own posts. It's for your protection as well as the protection of those you report on. Anonymity is a good thing in this regard.

I will second this e-motion.
I've reported someone for baseraping and then switching teams to tk before via the forum contact-an-admin area.
Within minutes the guy was dealt with.
Sometimes I'll just play the game with that forum up so I don't have to look for it haha

**Jimmy Jammer** · 03-15-2008, 11:24 AM

I have been around only a short time and am a supporting member but still do not were the tag. I have read and do understand the Primer, but I have not been here long enough to feel comfortable to just put the tag on. It is a right of passage if you will. The existing members and Admins recognize you in game and you them. Its about representing TG in a positive way on the TG servers but more importantly its when you play away. What you bring to another server is the impression that is left there. If a smackie makes the community look questionable then next group of players going to that server are already being looked at. You need to present a positive presence when playing. Suck it up if its an off day just play it out or keep it to yourself. There is no need to make smart remarks to other players because one is frustrated. You should be held to a higher set of standards wearing the tag and anyone wearing it needs to be held MORE accountable than the average player. Why? Well by wearing the tag you have acknowledged that you agree and are well aware of what the basic philosophy and expectations are as a tagged TG player. Its a trusting community that just allows players to wear the tag based on the players say so."I have read and agree therefore I wear." At my last community you needed to be nominated and then voted on by the existing players, fore who knows you better. You have caught their attention with good fair game play and a positive attitude. I will still wait until I feel that I can represent in the correct way knowing all the positive things to do...JJ

Sorry for the typos as I am work and its Word '97 with no dictionary.

**uk-warrior** · 03-15-2008, 01:49 PM

"idem eadem idem pro totus"

If you can't show dignity and respect to your fellow players, not only don't wear the tags, find another server.

Each and very one of us in this community, agreed with the guidelines.

Don't abuse it cause you will loose it, that being your rite to wear the TG tag.

"All for one and one for all"

02-29-2008, 09:48 AM	#31 (permalink)
Red Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago Age: 34 Posts: 821	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? My opinion is that good behavior spreads and is contagious, even if a player add the TG tags on their own it can make a difference in how players behave, first as a individual player and then how players act around that player, I think TGs philosophy is excellent, let people them self make the decision and you eventually will get a better server as the group mentality and self policing will help the admin in their otherwise almost impossible job. Very strict rules and hard handed administration just is very likely to alienate good team players as we recently have seen when in my opinion maybe TG went to far (I dont know the detail) and lost some great team players. In my view the goal should not be to impose rules like a magistrate the goal is to have a great playing experience with some rules to enhance it, that still means lots of work for the admins to get the worst offenders away from the server and act as role models. I think the TG admins have overall done an incredible job keeping this balance. Thats what makes TG great do not change it.

03-03-2008, 04:41 PM	#32 (permalink)
DeltaRandyShugart Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: With my roomates Posts: 1,996	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? I know there are those few players who put the \|TG\| tag on that don't completely understand what it means to be a TG player, in hopes that if they want to act like an idiot it will give them breathing room etc and maybe not be noticed by admins that are online. However, The players that I know who sport the Tag, are those who I know from playing with for a long time as well as those who post on the TG PR forums.....that to me shows that they are not just using it for their own personal use but to spread what they have learned on the server and post to inform/comment. The other night, i had a player who had a TG tag, on and I was speaking with other people in my squad about some posts on the forum and this player chimed in and said, I haven't registered i just like wearing the tag. That struck me.....why wear something if you don't know anything about it....lets say hypothetically it was opposite day and if you wore the \|TG\| tag you immediately got banned.......but if it was posted on the forums or if you were on TS you would know what was going on.......i did instruct the player to check out the forums etc, because all the questions he has would be answered etc - just wanted to clear that up. That being said before becoming part of the 6th I didn't wear the TG tag, i wore a BHD tag to pay tribute to randy shugart who was in the battle that the book BlackHawk Down was written about, but the only real way to become part of the community is to register and post, there are those who don't, and they are known on the server, and some are excellent players but to truly understand what it means to wear the \|TG\| tag is to read and re-read what is stated in the procedure and guidelines. And we all it all to the BF2 PR admins and the upper echelon of the high admins who keep this community alive and growing each day. __________________ PR In-Game Name: BHD DeltaRandyShugart or \|USMC\|Capt.America. ARMA Name Currently Being Used: Fmr.Gov.EliotSpitzer#9 If someone isn't following SL or CO orders in game/being a smacktard report them by typing this in global chat: !REPORTING "Follow my tracers!" *Ask not what TG can do you for you, but what you* can do for TG. 9/11 - Never Forget WWJDFTW?!** Last edited by DeltaRandyShugart; 03-04-2008 at 12:16 AM.

03-03-2008, 10:05 PM	#33 (permalink)
TheSkudDestroyer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 3,201	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? The \|TG\| tag is more than understanding rules and SOP's. It's about our community. It's about stepping up. If there are no good squads - make one yourself. It's about leadership. If you use VoIP and are a regular on the server for a while, you owe it to the community to help out new members and show them the ropes in game. It's about contribution to thousands of other people. You write, you work on projects, you organize, you submit work, you read and reply to important threads. It's about knowing the rules and never being afraid to type !reporting even if its a regular. It goes on and on. Never, ever ever EVER grow complacent with something wrong or questionable. Don't shrug things off. Use the appropriate channels to bring problems to admins, other players, and any other person who will discuss it with you. Nothing will change or get fixed if you never take the reigns yourself. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Skud 6.5 weeks Lackland AFB 8 months Keesler AFB, 1W0X1 - Weather The 6th Devils - Now with MORE Air Force! "...I simply stated "Video Games". They thought I was joking..."

03-03-2008, 11:11 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 4,944	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? Skud is right, but everything that has been said in all the replies can be summed up in one simple concept: The TG tag isnt about you. It's about the community. If you cant see fit to put the community before yourself, take the tag off. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

03-14-2008, 02:48 AM	#36 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 4,944	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? Fenian, if you see people misrepresenting the tag, please report it. One of the cardinal things behind wearing the tag is that you have to act like a mature human being, play in a tactical and team oriented sense, and respect your fellow players, regardless of their tag or experience level. What you described is two instances of people not doing that. Now, they may not be asked to remove the tag, but they will certainly be talked to about the incidents. While the overwhelming point of this thread is that the tag should not and will not be restricted, there are still those that are going to use the tag without understanding what it means to wear it. Those people often need to be, well, educated in exactly what responsibility comes with that particular piece of territory. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

03-14-2008, 05:58 AM	#37 (permalink)
kilroy0097 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bryan/College Station, TX Age: 33 Posts: 364	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? I would like to point out that reporting a player does not mean you have to report them in game. It could also mean you contact an admin in the Admin section of the forums and report them there with as much Proper English Detail as possible. There is a reason why the Admin forum section is Private and only you can see your own posts. It's for your protection as well as the protection of those you report on. Anonymity is a good thing in this regard. __________________ . "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

03-14-2008, 12:04 PM	#39 (permalink)
google Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 639	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? I agree with Disposable that those three points are needed to even play on the TG server. Those semi-strict rules and philosophy are what make the server so popular and a great enviroment for teamwork.

03-14-2008, 12:30 PM	#40 (permalink)
Shafty Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 28 Posts: 37	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? Off topic, but can I say that I read the forums all day today at work and cannot wait to get home and get it on in the TG server. (also want to see if my ribbon shows up on post.) Shafty

03-14-2008, 10:52 PM	#41 (permalink)
Fenian420 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,036	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? Alright yea, I was thinking about reporting the tank driver, not sure why I didnt, if I was just tired, didnt entirely want to snitch on him (although ive never noticed him before), and w\e else reason(s) i didnt.. The SQL wearing the TG tag just seemed kind of oblivious to it.. Heavy European accent with an all American squad. He didnt say that he was trying to learn how to lead a squad or anything but it almost seemed like it so I think that was the reason I didnt want to report him at all...

03-15-2008, 02:06 AM	#42 (permalink)
O=T-M-A-N=O Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 364	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? I think wearing the TG tag is about playing the TG way and abiding by the rules of the server and more importantly the community we are all a part of here at TG. I would hope those that are serious enough to play PR in the first place know that it is for gamers looking for more and are ready to give it more than a selfish gaming stint. I would also hope that those wearing the TG tag step up to the minimal contribution to the community that keeps the awesome server up and running for PR. I agree that it should be a badge of honor and commitment to our code and rules, not a clan or a membership in the traditional sense. Ben Franklin said: They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. I think trying to secure the TG tag with anything other than honor is foolish. __________________ \|TG-E1st\|_TMAN Project Reality Planning world domination the E1st way Help keep TG realistic - read and follow the rules Server Rules and SOP / Ribbon Nominations

03-15-2008, 11:24 AM	#44 (permalink)
Jimmy Jammer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northampton, MA Age: 48 Posts: 205	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? I have been around only a short time and am a supporting member but still do not were the tag. I have read and do understand the Primer, but I have not been here long enough to feel comfortable to just put the tag on. It is a right of passage if you will. The existing members and Admins recognize you in game and you them. Its about representing TG in a positive way on the TG servers but more importantly its when you play away. What you bring to another server is the impression that is left there. If a smackie makes the community look questionable then next group of players going to that server are already being looked at. You need to present a positive presence when playing. Suck it up if its an off day just play it out or keep it to yourself. There is no need to make smart remarks to other players because one is frustrated. You should be held to a higher set of standards wearing the tag and anyone wearing it needs to be held MORE accountable than the average player. Why? Well by wearing the tag you have acknowledged that you agree and are well aware of what the basic philosophy and expectations are as a tagged TG player. Its a trusting community that just allows players to wear the tag based on the players say so."I have read and agree therefore I wear." At my last community you needed to be nominated and then voted on by the existing players, fore who knows you better. You have caught their attention with good fair game play and a positive attitude. I will still wait until I feel that I can represent in the correct way knowing all the positive things to do...JJ Sorry for the typos as I am work and its Word '97 with no dictionary. __________________ Last edited by Jimmy Jammer; 03-15-2008 at 03:33 PM.

03-15-2008, 01:49 PM	#45 (permalink)
uk-warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ipswich Uk Age: 42 Posts: 235	Re: Should the TG tag be restricted? "idem eadem idem pro totus" If you can't show dignity and respect to your fellow players, not only don't wear the tags, find another server. Each and very one of us in this community, agreed with the guidelines. Don't abuse it cause you will loose it, that being your rite to wear the TG tag. "All for one and one for all"

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