visCera

Tsk tsk.

I leave for a month to satisfy my warcraft addiction and prepare for my enlistment and the server goes to hell. I must say though, there are TG members out there with a great attitude and showing a good face to the TG community. So, you're not all bad eggs :P

I try playing on other servers, but I can't do it.
I know I can rely on people here - 'cept fuzzhead and his disappearing bridges...
even most pubbies, to get the job done.

YourMom.com

i don't understand why ppl thought i was angry when i said one thing.. its not like i sat there for an hour typing messages every 15 secs, i was just annoyed cause right when i loged in i saw 3 people from my team switch sides. Granted two were from the TF2142 or something.. but that was kinda annoying. I wasn't really in that game long enough to see that the teams were pretty even in skill, but i did look at the player roster and saw 6 + TG guys on USA, and the TF21 guys that team switched, along with one regular player that switched.

and i do realize that one side has to win and lose. but imo, its not relay a good / even game if one team looses their main base, then 10+ people leave the server. although, i do think there are a few maps that are one sided that more often then not end that way.

thegreatnardini

It's nothing against you personally, but if you have been watching the forums you'll see a number of non-productive posts about the issue. It was also a bit insulting that you were directly singling the 6th out, when in fact we has switched to that team the round before for the sole reason that the teams were unbalanced. Basically the issue is getting old, there's nothing we can do about it, and if one side is winning just suck it up and play. I know I do. Don't forget that TG tags don't mean skill, my squad personally got something in the ballpark of 20 kills and 60+ deaths during that "team-stacked" round of Zatar, so by no means were we obliterating you guys . I was head of the TOW squad and I don't think we took out a single tank, but we did drive around most of the game building allot of purdy things for the commander .

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YourMom.com

I wasn't singling the 6th out, i just said the teams were stacked, it wasn't aimed at you, more of just the guys that i saw switch when i got in. i saw 2 or 3 guys just standing at main. It looked like they were afk, but one by one they died and move to the other side. But ya, it was my mistake to call them stacked, because overall our team did fairly well. i should have more pointed out to the few people who sat around doing nothing except wait until they could switch teams instead of calling the teams stacked.

d1sp0sabl3H3r0

YourMom - this is not directed at you:


WARNING!! What follows is a rant directed squarely at those players who have nothing better to do than complain and feel sorry for themselves round after round.

The whole stacked team whining is OLD!!!

Get off your mom's teat, suck it up and PLAY TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY!!

Quit wasting everyone's time complaining about stacked teams and this squad won't let me in and on and on and on and on. For cryin' out loud! GIVE IT A REST!

Try to be CO once. Try to SL once. Do something - anything - constructive for your team. Complaining isn't constructive!

STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND HIT THE BALL!


If you've read this and are thinking to yourself "Screw you, disposable!" then you are exactly who this message is aimed at. Stop and think about it for a minute and try to do something about getting beat other than complaining to the other team or posting non-constructive rants on the boards. Try being accountable for a change instead of pinning stuff on anyone else: the other team, your teammates, your CO, the devs, etc. etc. etc.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of reading posts from people who's only contribution to the TG community is their ability to gripe about stuff.

Now, go explore the PR space with that cowbell.

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Tweaky

Just to clarify any teamswitching....

TF21 does NOT teamswitch mid-round because their team is losing, nor do they intend to make one side stacked for the sake of winning. Once a few of us join the server, depending on which side has fewer players... we will switch to that side before we start playing, before the round starts. If more members of TF21 are joining the server, they will try and be on the same team as their fellow members... which is usually only possible if the balance of teams is even enough to allow the switch (simply the way the server allows it). From thereon, they stick to the side they start with for however long they decide to play for on that round/day/night. If the opposing team is really hurting for teammates when a new round starts, there is always discussion between us if we should switch.

What I see is the big issue is the inability to switch over before a round starts, and you have to reconnect to the server in order to be placed on the other side. And that doesn't fall into any fault of certain players, that is just a server-wide issue. Hurts the server the most, since the start of a round is the most crucial.

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Superfast

I totally agree with this. I often end up ignoring the ingame chat completely because there's so much weird whining going on. I'd rather be immersed in the game then reading all of that stuff. It's a game, not msn.

And it's all good that people report to the admins when there is something seriously wrong being done or some repeated offense, but sadly many times it's not.

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thegreatnardini

That's a server problem, there's really no way around it. Most players cannot switch sides even if their team outnumbers the other. If this happens just ask an admin and we can switch you manually.

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Ferris Bueller

I fully agree with everything said by the people who know what they're talking about. Reading this thread, I would think its fairly evident who those people are. But I'll address my inputs anyway because I'm a loudmouth and you all know it.

-The locked squads need to stop unless they are for a specific purpose. Sure, I lock my squad when I create one and grab at least a couple people I know are decent players, but I have a reason for it and I ALWAYS unlock it to let it fill. Also, the people that I grab arent always IHS members. Ask people like Drifterdave and DocZoidV who are very very frequently in my squads by invitation. The resoning behind it is simple: I love to see new faces in my squad. I love teaching people how to play the game the right way. But I cant do it alone, so I grab some talent that I know will assist me in doing so. As far as assets go, make sure that you have your squads configured correctly. A 2-man APC squad is flawed by default because the first time they get hit with AT is going to mean spending 10 minutes running around useless and spamming "We need repairs here!" Same with tanks. You need engineers for land vehicles, plain and simple. For CAS squads, having a couple spotters in your squad is probably advisable so that you dont necessarily have to relay all your CAS spots through the CO. Sniper squads are acceptable as two man locked squads IF theres no other dedicated sniper teams on your side. If there are two dedicated sniper teams, make it a 4 man squad. But if you're planning on sniping, dont join an infantry squad or a asset squad and just run off. You're being more of a detriment than a help.

-Team stacking...wow, what a load of crap this has been. Last night, nardini, skud and I, as well as a few other people were accused of "stacking" on Zatar. We had been on the same team as we were when the round started since the round before, when we all switched from british to chinese on OGT to even a 8 man defecit. But people who have no idea of what that means in application decided to scream stacking. Interesting. On OGT, our team won by a hundred or so tickets. On Zatar, we lost by 50 or so. The team didnt change much except for the usual few people leaving and few people joining to fill up the spots. Next time I hear or see someone making a "stacking" report in game and I cant find any IMMEDIATE evidence that it's true (i.e. the supposed "stacked" team is massacring the other team by 300+ tickets or some such nonsense), I am going to report them for making false allegations and recommend to the admins that it be handled the same way they handle people who sling hack-usations. So if you really want to try your luck, by all means, say the teams are stacked when I'm around.

-The elitism does need to stop. Nobody needs braggarts or smacktardery on the server. I completely agree with dirtboy there. But the same applies to the other end of the scale. People need to pay attention to who the regulars are, who the strongly skilled and well respected players are. Just because you come on the server wearing a TG tag doesnt mean that you can expect to be treated like you know what you're doing and everyone should listen. You will get the respect you deserve as a person because thats one of the hallmarks of TG. But if you're brand new to PR and you come in wearing a TG tag and expect it to be a "get out of jail free" card or a "I'm in TG so you have to listen to me" sign, you're dead wrong. I see lots of new people wearing TG tags as of late, many of whom are doing the right thing by asking questions and learning to play the game. But theres a few that dont and I've seen them disrespect members of the community who dont wear TG tags simply because they apparently thought the latter of the two excuses I mentioned applied. We have a huge community of well respected and hugely skilled players. The expectation is that you treat EVERYONE with respect. I'm personally going to be making a far greater use of the !reporting system for people who violate that respect.

-Complaining/arguing on the server has got to stop as well. If you have a beef, bring it to the forums, or xfire, or aim, or msn messenger, or a private teamspeak channel. But for the love of god, dont sit there and fill up the chat with pointless bickering. There are those people who dont have mics and rely on chat to talk to people and all you're doing is making their job that much harder. Remember the old "arguing on the internet is like..." picture? Yeah, think about it that way and keep it out of my chat screen.

I could add more, but this is long enough already and I'll let people digest some.

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StevieRay

My 2 cents. In a democratic system, the most people complain, because they can. The system by nature has built in methods to resolve and/or address these complaints. This server is the greatest gaming example of such. I have been on other servers and they are run like aristocracies and even dictatorships, or worse yet with no leadership at all. They exist for the members and mebers only, or just for the gaming of it all. TG does not. They exist for everyone, with a slight bend toward paying members.

The purpose of all this is to say I love TG for this reason. We can voice our frustrations. The admins tell you what is bugging them before banning and warning. This is by far the most fair server I have ever seen. thanks all...StevieRay

Disposeable, Ferris, Nardini, Dirtboy...love what you all said.

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IcemanGER

good to know,lol

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<1sk>Headshot

I haven't been on the server in a while mainly due to RL but I sense a lot of hypocrisy here. Threads like these come up every few months or even more regular. Again, just my opinion but very little can be achieved by threads like these, of course I wouldn't name any names but at some point a huge percentage of regulars on the server have come across with an elitist attitude. It's a fact, most regulars want to feel respected and no matter their demeanour on the forums, I've seen at one point or another most players being elitist. Don't think I'm excluding myself here, none of us are perfect - especially myself - and we all screw up sometimes.

Elitist attitudes and e-penis's are a huge part of the whole internet gaming culture and no-one can deny that. 1337 isn't so over-used for no reason.

For what little it means, the ones who don't have these 1337 attitudes, have huge respect from me, especially the ones I see upholding the "TG spirit" in a polite and helpful manner.

I think the only way to solve this is to come down hard on anyone presenting an elitist attitude to change their ways. Don't even allow the "respected" players of TG to get away with acting in this way. Don't sit back while a squad member is acting like a douche-bag. No need to report everything to an admin, just let them know that what they just did or said isn't a very appropriate way to act or speak. All most of them need is a reality check, it's easy to get caught up in a game and start acting like and idiot.

My 2 cents on the matter.

^SUN@5^

1st cent:
this is a good reminder -
2nd cent:
TG PR server reputation (though it's not a matter of reputation here), at my point of view, is largely due to its special atmosphere, wich is made of players behaviour and attitude - i say this cause that's what i miss whenever i take a look somewhere else, so keep it special!

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Outlawz7

I endorse ^

But what about the times, when there's always tons of people swithcing to USMC/GB side at start/mid-round and not because the US team is losing/their clanmates are on that team/autoswitch etc., but simply because they are over-patriotic.

At the start of every patch/release there's always teamstacking on GB/US because they get tanks (Basrah) choppers (Jabal) A10/Eurofighter (Qinling, Kashan) and everyone just wants to use those well known and "1337" assets representing the real-life counterparts, while the the axis assets seem unatractive or simply "terrorist/bad guy" because their counter-part originates from a 'third world country'.

There is always people complaining over all-chat that they don't want to drive "teh t3rr0rist" tank or they don't want to play as "teh arabz/gooks" due their patriotic obssesions. If they can't switch to allied side, they complain/disconnect but if they switch, they usually camp for the assets like Blackhawks or request sniper kits etc. They contribute nothing, they just want to be a virtual US Marine - even if it's camping on the carrier with a Pilot kit the whole round.

Even when all this complaining isn't present, there is still silent teamswitching, when previously even teams suddenly stack in favor of the allied side just because it's the allied side.(which comes with the A10/Apache/JDAM and overall e-penis increasement) *facepalm*

If you put your obssesions with your nation or simply being the "good guy"(?) or because "teh US pwnz iraq and teh terruristz in real life" before acting mature in a video game, then please reconsider playing.
This is a realism mod and the factions and weapons represent the ones in real life (besides MEC, which is a fictional army, but the G3 still exists), so get used to playing as Chinese or Insurgent every once in a while.

In the PR Tournament there's is a bunch of British and Americans on the axis side teams, not because they are some sort of "sleeping" spies, that stay in a country for 10 years before assasinating someone, but because they prefer that team due the players in it (clanmates, internet buddies) or the in-game factions and their assets (not because they want to be "teh terrorist arabs".)
If one likes using the in-game AK47 over the L85/M16, that doesn't turn them into an Iraqi insurgent all of a sudden. He just likes playing with that weapon, so what, it's a game.

So ending my rant, although the admins can't monitor 62 people with new ones joining every few minutes 24/7 for any biased team swapping, it would be nice if people packed their patriotism under the table, when they go play PR and play it fair.

BeerHunter

What Outlawz says is unfortunately too true a lot of the time but I think it can all be summed up as:

SPORTSMANSHIP AND FAIR PLAY.

Personally I play for fun. I don't care if my team wins or loses , I simply participate to the best of my ability and enjoy the game.

If winning or losing is paramount then perhaps TG's server (or any other public server) isn't where you should be. You should be in a clan and playing competitively in ladders or matches.

I don't play that much so am not a "skilled" player but fair play and sportsmanship means that I am more concerned with everyone on the server having a good time than whether my score is the highest or our team is winning.

I'll switch teams to balance them numerically , give up kits and assets to more seasoned players and enjoy PRM for what it is..simply a game that offers a diversion from real life for a few hours on a week end.

And IMO as far as all the comments about TG "members" in locked squads , I think that goes back to my posting about about restricting the use of the TG tag somehow. I'm sure that many of these TG tags aren't active members and are being doned as a miss guided status symbol with their attitudes reflecting badly on all legitimate TG tag wearing individuals.

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