This needs to stop! - Page 5

**ZaBoo** · 03-21-2008, 10:53 AM

Usually a lot of the "stacking" comments come up when IHS's all team up on the same side.

To say that your no better than the average person who connects to the server is very modest. I would say that the average IHS member:

* Plays more often / has more playtime / experience
* Higher % of people who will SL
* Higher % of people who will CO
* Higher % of people with microphones
* Higher level of communications & discipline

PR is no longer about who has the best shooting players. Most of the game relies on the CO, and SL's working together. I don't think anyone has ever made the debate that by putting all the IHS members on the same team the other team lacks some leadership, and communications. So I'm going to stick it out there.

I personally find it very frustrating when all the IHS are on one team. Clearly, a lot of the community feels the same, as there is a lot of posts about this. To simply say get "better", and do something to help contribute to your team is really unfair. As a single person you cannot control the other 30 players. At best you can get a squad going and have 6 people on task.

Sure we can understand that you want to play together, but can you not maybe do four on a side, instead of all 8 on one side?

Just my thoughts.

**Superfast** · 03-21-2008, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaBoo

Usually a lot of the "stacking" comments come up when IHS's all team up on the same side.

To say that your no better than the average person who connects to the server is very modest. I would say that the average IHS member:

* Plays more often / has more playtime / experience
* Higher % of people who will SL
* Higher % of people who will CO
* Higher % of people with microphones
* Higher level of communications & discipline

PR is no longer about who has the best shooting players. Most of the game relies on the CO, and SL's working together. I don't think anyone has ever made the debate that by putting all the IHS members on the same team the other team lacks some leadership, and communications. So I'm going to stick it out there.

I personally find it very frustrating when all the IHS are on one team. Clearly, a lot of the community feels the same, as there is a lot of posts about this. To simply say get "better", and do something to help contribute to your team is really unfair. As a single person you cannot control the other 30 players. At best you can get a squad going and have 6 people on task.

Sure we can understand that you want to play together, but can you not maybe do four on a side, instead of all 8 on one side?

Just my thoughts.

Quick comments on this Zaboo, my old tank-buddy

When an ihs is on the same team, we don't automatically divide the whole team among us with one as CO and the rest as SL'ers to try to "control" the team or match outcome to be l33t or smash the other team. We usually all get together in the same squad and try to get some fun gameplay and banter going. That's about it.

So if we are all in one squad, how much damage can we do? Not much i'll tell you, most of the time it just ends up in rubbish stuff or us running into a tank and all getting killed!

But we have fun, TOGETHER. That's why we sometimes are on the same team also why we enjoy being in our ihs. And even if we divided ourselves among the team, the outcome is not given and we may still loose because of the complexity of the game.

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 03-21-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaBoo

Usually a lot of the "stacking" comments come up when IHS's all team up on the same side.

To say that your no better than the average person who connects to the server is very modest. I would say that the average IHS member:

* Plays more often / has more playtime / experience
* Higher % of people who will SL
* Higher % of people who will CO
* Higher % of people with microphones
* Higher level of communications & discipline

PR is no longer about who has the best shooting players. Most of the game relies on the CO, and SL's working together. I don't think anyone has ever made the debate that by putting all the IHS members on the same team the other team lacks some leadership, and communications. So I'm going to stick it out there.

I personally find it very frustrating when all the IHS are on one team. Clearly, a lot of the community feels the same, as there is a lot of posts about this. To simply say get "better", and do something to help contribute to your team is really unfair. As a single person you cannot control the other 30 players. At best you can get a squad going and have 6 people on task.

Sure we can understand that you want to play together, but can you not maybe do four on a side, instead of all 8 on one side?

Just my thoughts.

I understand where you're coming from Zaboo, but this is where perception and reality do not meet.

(Once more let me caution you with regard to what follows - this is not directed at any one person in particular, and to be honest the people that need to read this probably don't even participate on these boards):

Players in an IHS were not cast from some mold of uber-leetness for PR and therefore deemed worthy of being in an IHS (or external clan, such as TF21).

No, we were all regular pubbies who happened to stumble onto TG and for one reason or another decided to become regulars here. After a while we were tired of being kicked for SMs and constantly clicking JOIN every 3 seconds waiting for a slot to open up, so we became supporting members. Then we started to get more active in TS and threw "TG" in front of our names because we were comfortable with the concept and felt like we had "earned" the right to do so. Some of us decided to join the Irregulars and take things a little further.

Being socially handicapped and shut-ins, we would spend every night ignoring family and friends to hang out with our buddies online playing a war game. After a while, we developed a pretty strong sense of community and friendship with one another and would always squad up. Never a complaint from other players except the "Man, your squad fills up fast!".

Then one day someone stumbles across the whole IHS concept and sees that all you need to do to start one is be a supporting member. Well, crickey! That sounds awesome, and the 6th is full (wink wink) so let's do this! And so it was, not just for the 10th, but about a dozen or more other IHS.

Now we're marked men. We can't possibly play together anymore because we are uber soldiers because of our cool little tags in front of our names and our cute little insignias. "Don't you dare play together in the same squad, why, that's unfair!" Really? What was it before we (again, not just the 10th) were an IHS?

If our ability to communicate, SL, CO, etc. etc. is what sets us apart, I've got news for you: there isn't a secret book somewhere that we all bought (SL in PR for Dummies) - no, we just play the game the way it is meant to be played. Some of us have real life military experience (I have none other than contemplating it and coming close when I was a hell of a lot younger), a lot do not (unless you count airsoft

). I don't really see what difference it makes anyway to be honest, I'm sure there are some parallels in PR to reality of armed conflict, but seriously - it's a video game.

So, if I come across as being harsh, or elitist, sorry. I am not, and if you've played in my squad you know I'm an idiot and am more likely to roll our support truck on the initial rollout than I am to perform amazing acts of bravery and battlefield genius. No, I am not elitist. What I am is fed up with the whining and complaining and the "poor little me" attitude people have, and the fact that they condemn people in an IHS for wanting to play together every once in a while when that is, in fact, what an IHS is supposed to do!

Lastly, me telling people to suck it up and try harder is pretty darned good advice. I'll put the accountability word back out there again: If you want to improve, take it upon yourself to try harder. Take on a SL position and LEAD! Take on the CO position and LEAD! Quit sitting around waiting for someone else to do it - that's the easy way out.

I am personally tired of having to defend myself, my squadmates in the 10th and my friends in the 6th from the constant complaining and crying and whining. I'm not doing it any more. We all try to do our share or more to help the TG community. It seems to me as though it's time for some of the TG community to help themselves.

Elwenil · 03-21-2008, 12:45 PM

I too get a little tired of the team stacking comments especially when 3 or 4 individuals complain that the teams are stacked and then end up winning the round by 100 tickets. appearances can be deceiving. As Disposable said, we are not the greatest players. We frequently have very bad nights where we win 1 out of 4 maps. I can't count how many times we have been flat out steamrolled since we created the 10th. But we have fun and we enjoy playing with our squadmates just as we did before the 10th existed. Last night we had a nice hard battle on Qwai. We lost, but we gave them hell and I had a blast. I can't remember who won Mestia after that, but it was a lot of fun too. That's the only thing that matters to me. It's why I play the game, to have fun.

We constantly seem to have to walk this fine line between playing like we always did before the 10th existed and somehow ticking everyone off with our suspected elite super skilled awesome-ness. Geez guys, we are just players. Form your own squads. Then you'll see that it's not different than playing normally, you just have a bunch more pain the ass details to take care of outside the game, lol. We have been careful to try an not put too many 10th members in a squad and have actually had a better time running two partial 10th squads and letting the general public players fill the other positions sometimes, but we still hear this general commotion whenever someone feels they are either not getting their fair allocation of uber-elite IHS players. It's getting old and really wasting a lot of energy that could be better used playing the game and who knows, the complainers may beat us. It's happened many more times than I care to remember, lol. I have so many more comments on this topic, but honestly, it's making my head hurt so I'll end it here.

JCTango · 03-21-2008, 01:01 PM

Teamstacking comments are like saying,

"Hey, you guys play together all the time and generally know how to work and communicate together.. That's an unfair advantage! Can you guys quit playing as a team?!"

Excuse me, but TG is a server which endorses teamwork.. It seems backwards to ask people to to obliterate squads, ihs, and clans from developing their teamwork skills within their groups. Why have a clan/ihs if you can't play together?

I started out on TG as a pubbie. I got interested in hanging out with a clan... joined them... and generally have fun playing with them.. we don't play together because we're super l33t. We do it together.. and often.. so we can develop and hone each other's skills and niches. Plus.. playing together as a squad that way helps us develop mind-waves and know what each other will be doing.

One time Patterson made a squad with a few of us on Operation Ghost Train and told us not to use any comms at all, not even teamspeak. What followed was something that could only come out of gellin' with a crew you've been playing with for a long time. We'd know which way each of us were covering.. who needed ammo.. who needed rez/heals.. where the enemy was.

Friends play together to have fun and better themselves. Plain and simple. They like utilizing the teamwork that they've developed over time together. And, really, isn't that what TG is all about? :P

**TheSkudDestroyer** · 03-21-2008, 01:03 PM

What do you mean I must spread rep around before giving it to disposable again?

I would like to touch on what disposable said about leadership: It's probably the most important skill in PR.

Leadership isn't something that can be taught: It's a character trait you develop through hard work and practice. Even with the hard work and practice, you gotta give quite a bit of time to it. You need to take an interest in the game and the community outside of in game. Meaning; you need to read sometimes. A lot.

It frustrates me at the number of players who frequent the server and don't bother to keep up on change logs and other important information put out by the DEVS. You take an interest in the game but... That's where it stops. You just care about what happens in the game; And what happens on the server.

And that's just it: You have to grab the reigns. Contribute, discuss, read, train, suggest, INFORM YOURSELF.

Sabre_Tooth_Tigger · 03-21-2008, 01:24 PM

My rep button has disappeared alltogether for months now, anyone else have that or was I a rep ho or something

Apart from the rules or spirit of the rules I dont think people should be required to spend any great amount of time reading about the game.
Its more interesting to discover a change or map feature in the game while playing I reckon, reading before hand is like a crib sheet

Fenian420 · 03-21-2008, 01:28 PM

Quite a thread...

Good way to keep teams evened out: Keep TG players on both sides of teams, pubbies alot of times tend to go on whichever side has more TG players. If one team has better assets then more TG players should be on otherside, (not saying required or nothing, just reccomendation to players playing at time if they see uneven teams or inbalance in effectiveness).
As for required reading; maybe on password days, otherwise its gonna get stupid.

**ZaBoo** · 03-21-2008, 01:47 PM

In no way am I recommending that you stop playing with each other. With larger IHS forming it isn't uncommon to see 6,8, or even 10+ people online at once. All I am suggesting that if they were split 50/50 I think less team switching would be going on - Making it more fair and enjoyable for people who are not affiliated with an IHS and don't have the privillage of switching teams without being called out.

**TheSkudDestroyer** · 03-21-2008, 02:37 PM

I never said read every little detail: But why play the game and claim you're active with it if you dont put forth any effort to expand any knowledge?

Then it's just a time waster.

Drayu · 03-21-2008, 02:53 PM

I could care less who is on what side, what bothers me the most is the immediate locking of squads and calling assets theirs....and when some other squad has a squad with an asset in their name...they get reprimanded and told they can't use that asset b/c it belongs to another squad. That is the only BS I don't like. ESPECIALLY when the other squad was created first.

soonerfan1966 · 03-21-2008, 03:24 PM

as far as team switching goes, is it possible to block the viewing of total players on the other side and who they are (maybe less complaining if they dont know) or is that hard coded.

**llPANCHOll** · 03-21-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0

I understand where you're coming from Zaboo, but this is where perception and reality do not meet.

(Once more let me caution you with regard to what follows - this is not directed at any one person in particular, and to be honest the people that need to read this probably don't even participate on these boards):

Players in an IHS were not cast from some mold of uber-leetness for PR and therefore deemed worthy of being in an IHS (or external clan, such as TF21).

No, we were all regular pubbies who happened to stumble onto TG and for one reason or another decided to become regulars here. After a while we were tired of being kicked for SMs and constantly clicking JOIN every 3 seconds waiting for a slot to open up, so we became supporting members. Then we started to get more active in TS and threw "TG" in front of our names because we were comfortable with the concept and felt like we had "earned" the right to do so. Some of us decided to join the Irregulars and take things a little further.

Being socially handicapped and shut-ins, we would spend every night ignoring family and friends to hang out with our buddies online playing a war game. After a while, we developed a pretty strong sense of community and friendship with one another and would always squad up. Never a complaint from other players except the "Man, your squad fills up fast!".

Then one day someone stumbles across the whole IHS concept and sees that all you need to do to start one is be a supporting member. Well, crickey! That sounds awesome, and the 6th is full (wink wink) so let's do this! And so it was, not just for the 10th, but about a dozen or more other IHS.

Now we're marked men. We can't possibly play together anymore because we are uber soldiers because of our cool little tags in front of our names and our cute little insignias. "Don't you dare play together in the same squad, why, that's unfair!" Really? What was it before we (again, not just the 10th) were an IHS?

If our ability to communicate, SL, CO, etc. etc. is what sets us apart, I've got news for you: there isn't a secret book somewhere that we all bought (SL in PR for Dummies) - no, we just play the game the way it is meant to be played. Some of us have real life military experience (I have none other than contemplating it and coming close when I was a hell of a lot younger), a lot do not (unless you count airsoft

). I don't really see what difference it makes anyway to be honest, I'm sure there are some parallels in PR to reality of armed conflict, but seriously - it's a video game.

So, if I come across as being harsh, or elitist, sorry. I am not, and if you've played in my squad you know I'm an idiot and am more likely to roll our support truck on the initial rollout than I am to perform amazing acts of bravery and battlefield genius. No, I am not elitist. What I am is fed up with the whining and complaining and the "poor little me" attitude people have, and the fact that they condemn people in an IHS for wanting to play together every once in a while when that is, in fact, what an IHS is supposed to do!

Lastly, me telling people to suck it up and try harder is pretty darned good advice. I'll put the accountability word back out there again: If you want to improve, take it upon yourself to try harder. Take on a SL position and LEAD! Take on the CO position and LEAD! Quit sitting around waiting for someone else to do it - that's the easy way out.

I am personally tired of having to defend myself, my squadmates in the 10th and my friends in the 6th from the constant complaining and crying and whining. I'm not doing it any more. We all try to do our share or more to help the TG community. It seems to me as though it's time for some of the TG community to help themselves.

What could I possibly add to this?

I found something..
Here is a guy with a great attitude... I would love to play with this guy over a whiner or a sniper with 1337 skills any day!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurrumBaer

Hello,
as the title says I´m looking for a regular squad or people who play at least once a week or 2 weeks.
After I was excited by PR and played with TG people, I also played on other servers, like Thors Brigade or 10th Mountains. Like on tuesday... There was a nice guy leading our squad, I could see his efforts in effective leading, also making faults and so on... Like basing his leading tactics on assisting HIM to kill everybody, us running across the whole map for a co-order which was silly as hell, then crying for a medic (me) and just lying in the grass, reading his newspaper instead of covering me, and then complaining that he has died... Seeing people bunnyhopping when they were shot, nadespamming (yes still with 0.75), bunker raping, idiot pilots who didnt know how to fly and crashing half of the one and the other squad and so on... As far as I read the last topics, you know what I´m talking about.

Why I´m telling you stories (sry for that), is just because yesterday I had a great game with "TG-Irr Mnam" (huge thanks again) or also far back with "TG-E1st TopCat" and that I´ve finally found some guys who are playing serious and with whom I have the real feeling of PR instead of frustration and "ohnoes".
I just would like to find a serious player squad and their regular playing times, to play this game like the most of you do, with professionalism and knowledge. I also would be very happy to learn techniques and tactics for being a good squadmember and play this realism simulation properly. Of course I will be glad to submit any additional personal information you need.

So if you are ever interested in me being your squadmate, let me know.
Regards, BurrumBaer

**TurkishDelight** · 03-21-2008, 11:01 PM

Disposable is the seven-armed god of PR wisdom!

TG-Uber1337 tagged people do not=Teamstack

I just can't get my head around why someone would think that. I don't see why a group of Pr players can't create a group and play with eachother frequently...

My .02 pesos....

TerribleOne · 03-22-2008, 01:51 PM

I agree 100 %, but this would be unpractical to enforce. Its an issue almost every time one jumps on TG for a round or two. It all starts with leadership, and I'm sure some of you may agree that regulars must take the initiative to ensure a culture of teamwork and synergism that will get these negative threads turned into positive ones.