Taip3n

I have been away a year but have returned to see a few things for the worst, and some for the good (glad to see the guys in the 10th became TG, they were wearing their old clan tag when I last played here).

Too many people to quote here, who have said it all. I would recommend to come to the middle, guys – and remember Whiskeysix’s post about the principles of TG. People can play with their friends (don’t they alot, anyway?), and people can allow others in. It’s all cool.

The point is to keep TG away from ‘me, myself and I’ and more towards of thinking about your fellow gamers. .

But there is more: I think it’s the maps themselves that does harm.

One ‘radical’ proposal would be, is to suggest the 'elitis' stems from such things as too few maps, and too large and boring ones. I would suggest to bring back more ‘pubby’ maps. The adrenaline and heat, of close quareter combat with your neck up in grass can bring people together as they act as a team, in the fury of a good old romp. I believe all these huge maps are not the way forward. It does not solve teamwork and I believe it acts against what TG try to create. People get bored, they do not get the ‘grab’ of an enjoyable game. So how are they meant to get the same with having fun, making friends and working as a team? Furthermore, the 'analism' (for want of a better word, stems from such things and trying to maintain a grip on such conservative ideals. It brings forth staid and superiority thoughts. I wold keep the freshness of the Tg thinking by trying to keep the maps fresh - for a start. They are, after all, where the scenario takes place. It may sound odd to some but I thik this is an important psychological issue.

Mix it up, go to the middle ground.; Shake yourselves loose a little.

Then perhaps you can stop the rot.

So I decided today to wear the TG tag (or not - as you will see me without the tag alot aswell). The point is I support TG for its principles as I have already mentioned with Whiskeysix’s post. You must respect yourself by respecting others.

People deserve to be treated well. To take action, then, as a mark of respect, after seeing corruption of games here myself, I decided to wear the tag. To help stop the trend of not what I see as elitism of friends playing together but pomposity. I have seen it from very very few individuals – and I do not mean friends playing together, though the locked squads have to stop, and in my opinion, the decent into conservatism shown directly via the map choice of gameplay and hence the knock on effect to locking squads (though you will see some unlock them after a few friends/select squad memebers have joined).

To maintain the principle of TG – that of teamwork and an open and friendly atmosphere, is more important. For people who have been around a long time and created this place and are simply nice, friendly, open, honest, kind and giving people. They are out there.

Many I meet uphold such principles of togetherness, good heartedness and simply acting in a ‘gentlemanly’ manner, and having fun with others.

To me that’s TG. Tag wearer or not, that is what counts here.

Sonic

Very nice and true post... I hog the assets every once and a while. But when a guy walks up and steals your jet after you've waited 20 minutes for it... I get a bit angry. Even more so when I notice that one minute later he has crashed into a mountain... and is in an "Infantry" squad without spotters to guide him. But, I guess we were all there. I'm just saying guys should'nt single seat assets or fly when they have not practised yet. It puts a burden on the tactics behind Air, Ground and Armour coordination. Usually its the teamwork involved with utilizing all your assets (Transport, Armour, Jets, Helo's, etc.) that will give your team a victory, take EJOD before .075. If the opponent's armour was eliminated early in the round your team had it pretty easy. I created a local server and practised for about an hour before testing myself online... I knew that if I crashed a jet in 2 minutes from take off my team would be kind of annoyed.

thegreatnardini

Guys, we had a problem today where a number of players were calling team stacking after the other team pulled a win out of a round of Qwai. The debate continued and a player was punished by an admin for it. I'm letting everyone know that this whining and complaining needs to stop. I am sick and tired of logging into CC and seeing people complaining about team stacking, weapons, maps, or whatnot on the chat logs. If you have a problem with game mechanics bring it up with the devs, but don't debate it in game. The teamswitching complaints are getting out of hand, and I'm not going to say this again:

Not all teams and maps are created equal. Not every game is going to play to a stale-mate. There are winners and losers. It's a game, get over it. Sometimes the team is just better, other times the map is slightly biased. There is nothing anyone can do about it and getting everyone on the server riled up over it will get you in trouble with the admins.

I hope this gets my point across, because I'm sick of it, and I know everyone else is as well.

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Sonic

Lol Nardini I was just there, I was thinking the same thing. But, I have come to realize that most guys who wear the tag play with teamwork. On Ghost Train I tried to make a Infantry squad. Only 2 of my squadmates actually listened. Although, Britain had more |TG| tag wearers both teams had equal skill. So, it wasnt really team stacking, but rather the British team's teamwork that lead them to victory...

squadexodus

Man, i was there today too. Our team was owning everyone, then suddenly, without warning, the other team started obliterating us. No one moved, it was just a fast swing in pace. I thought it was a pretty good showing of teamwork works.

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Elwenil

Again, wearing the TG tag of even a TG in house squad tag does NOT make you a better player. However, it does sometimes mean that the players are more willing to exercise teamwork and listen to orders. Obviously we have all recently seen a lot of players wearing the TG tag, some of whom are even Supporting Members, that do not exercise teamwork and quite simply, do not follow orders as they should. If that is not ideal evidence that having TG tagged players on the other team does not mean the teams are stacked, I don't know what is. If a team doesn't use teamwork, regardless of what clan, organization, religion, or file cabinet drawer they belong to, it's their own fault, plain and simple. This game requires teamwork to get the most of it. If your team isn't using it, complaining that the other team is, is not going to help. It is your responsibility to work together on your team. If you don't, it's not our fault or anyone else's but your own. We can't hold you hand and make sure you are happy and know exactly what to do all the time. If you want TG to teach you how to play, sign up for a TGU class. Sure, it's a TG server, which means it is owned by the Tactical Gamer community and is paid for my Supporting Members. It does not mean that we are here to provide players with their ideal gaming experience. It does not mean that we are here to hold your hand and help you win the match simply because you can't do it on your own. We damn near got run off the map on Qwai tonight because the Chinese attack was concentrated and caught us spread a little thin. When we rallied at Mine and shifted our tactics to a defensive game we held off every scattered attack thrown at us. Most were too few or too poorly executed to make much difference. Is that our fault? No. Is it our fault that we took a defensive stance? What would you expect us to do when we only held two out of the seven flags on the map? We dug in and held on and turned a 70 point deficit into a win without ever taking another flag. We didn't whine when we almost got run off the map and lost 3 flags in rapid succession. We got focused and did our job and what was necessary. That was pure and simple teamwork, tactics and strategy and that ladies and gentlemen, is how you win.

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ForGlory&Pain

I C/O'd that round.

We lost Qwai because we had armor sitting around unmanned the entire map, and the few peices that did get used were not used effectively or in any sense of cohesiveness. I was begging for armor crews.

US won that round square, and hell, I would have done the same thing if it was me.

That combined with 4-man squads that thought thier 1-4 KDR means they are an lone-gun assault squad turned what was almost a rout into a stagnant stalemate loss. One which my army was not disclplined enough to win.

There was a lot of whining that round, and I had a backseat general the whole time. But I had fun and appreciate the effort the US did to turn it around.

I came back later to SL in 16 Ejod from a write-off at 250ish tickets to an almost clean sweep of the map. So it works both ways. A lot can happen late in a round.

cheers,

Glory

BigGaayAl

I'm glad you found the topic, Sonic, after the complaints about team stacking yesterday. Good form.

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Sonic

I've kind of realized I should just keep my thoughgts to myself... lol when I made a comment about team stacking I thought Ferris was going to have a freakout and get the whole Chinese tem banned! Well after reading this thread I have understood the topic more.

Sabre_Tooth_Tigger

I left before the end of Qwai, Im amazed usmc won it but they were being decent about defense, it was good to see.

The map is biased to china if anything, not sure I understand any complaint about stacking there. The score or ticket system is not perfect but without ticket bleed its all about KDR

Im not a great fan of the queuing system , doing nothing for 20 mins does not inspire me to any precedent for that player. If the time was spent building a bunker, repairing something and dropping ammo crates then in that 20 mins you'd be a team asset

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TheSkudDestroyer

I was curious to hear how this all turned out. I was part of the TOW Humvee squad for the first hour of the map, then left.

Thank you for stepping up and putting up with the whiners.

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d1sp0sabl3H3r0

This is probably the best advice I've seen in a while.

Engage brain before opening mouth.

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I will comment on last night's Qwai match, and everything else surrounding it.

Round 1: EJOD 16 - US wins 9-0
Round 2: Assault on Mestia - I'm pretty sure Britain won.
Round 3: Bi Ming - Britain wins and routesChina, well over 100 ticket victory. Not a single complaint from the Chinese team.
Round 4: Qwai - Starts very badly for US - we held Gov. Office for a bit, but didn't hold it for long. Quickly lost Mine but managed to retake. Lost Processing. Turtled up at Mine and managed to turn a 50 ticket deficit into a 50 ticket victory through smarts and teamwork.
Round 5: OGT - China wins amidst immediate accusations of teamstacking from the British CO, who had just joined the server. Apparently there were some teamwork issues on Britain, which is too bad because China was ripe for the taking, as we only had 1 squad south of the river for the first 20 minutes trying to defend 3 flags.

First, Qwai. Solid strategy and leadership from the US wins the round. The issues started when China loses their ticket advantage and eventually the lead while holding all but 2 of the flags. Complaints start flying about how the US should get a ticket bleed, calling us names for not attacking Processing, etc. etc. etc.

Seems to me as though we had a strategy and it was working. Seems to me as though we had leadership and we were following orders. It was working. We were in a tough spot and we played to win. We played like every ticket mattered, and we weren't going to quit until the last ticket faded off the board. Too bad China didn't play that way - they expected us to roll over and die. We're not handing you a victory because you think you deserve it.

Also, don't complain about the lack of bleed on a map, or the geography that we used to our advantage to hold onto the last flag. The devs decide the bleed, not the server admins nor the players playing the map. Your complaints are a waste of TCP/IP. Post your gripes on the RealityMod forums, not in Global chat. Also, remember this the next time you are China and you are down to defending Temple (a natural fortress) with no bleed and you win (which is EXACTLY what happened on Thursday's PW night). I don't recall seeing the US blame the other team for the lack of bleed or calling them names because China wouldn't attack Estate.

Complaints such as these and about stacked teams are not only wrong but also not welcome. I'm sure that this is abundantly clear at this point. There's only so much that can be done about the teams, so it is up to the individual to try and make a difference by putting forth a little more leadership and do a little less complaining.

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Sonic

When I was playing on Qwai I gotta say the teams were even... Chini got over confident and acted a bit retarded. The US dug in and waited, in the end it prevailed.

P.S. I was on Chinise team

kilroy0097

What is the feeling for a polite request, at the very beginning of a round during the 3 minute commander election phase, for the teams to be evened out?

In my question I refer to severe unbalanced teams such as 30 to 20 etc. and only at the beginning of the round. What happens during play in the middle of the round is beyond player's control.

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Delta*RandyShugart*

what????????? we aren't even in PR and already you are whining about the teams being uneven????????

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