New Shader Effects - Page 3

**llPANCHOll** · 03-20-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Redd_Wiggler

i dont like it. it pretty much means who ever shoots first wins the fire fight.

This is exactly why I like the suppression effect.

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Originally Posted by Charity Case

To quote on of the devs:

If these changes are implemented I will be completely satisfied with the effect. The second and third changes would be especially nice, as they would improve both CQB and ranged combat. The only problem I see is from people who figure out how to turn off the effect.

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Originally Posted by (R-DEV)Jaymz
I think with some minor improvements it will be perfect. Still great as it is though

1. Only happens with 5.56 and higher calibre weapons (FH2 did this so we know it can be done)

2. Only "activates" after the round has travelled 10-20m (I think we can do this)

3. Is triggered when bullets go overhead (I think we can do this also)

If they could add some exeption to this for the Medic, when they are not actually holding their weapon, but have their paddles or tampax or medic bag in their hands.

The role of Medic has been put through the ringer alot by changes of late. The days of the medic being a self healing rifleman are long gone.. but I think with a small change to the supression, they role can be revived and reveered.

**FrankManik** · 03-20-2008, 05:23 PM

Personally, I felt pretty suppressed in the last patch with the simple knowledge that if I died, it was a five to ten minute hike to get back to the action. That said, I like the idea of a suppression effect, but it could stand to be turned down a little. Specifically, I agree that being shot at may spook you a little, but it should not impair your ability to return fire in the general direction of the enemy while you beat feet towards cover.

Elwenil · 03-20-2008, 05:55 PM

Actually it doesn't impair your ability to return fire. You can still shoot and aim your weapon, you just can't do it with any certainty of hitting anything, but if you know where the enemy is, and can re-acquire that general location, you can return fire and try to suppress them in turn. I've killed several enemies while suppressed by just firing where I was aiming before the effect took place. And before anyone says it, yes, this will lead to drawn out firefights where you are suppressing each other, but honestly, combat is like that sometimes.

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-20-2008, 06:27 PM

I'm sorry, but thats no better than running rambo through the woods with a SAW going full auto and racking up lucky kills. We used to have a term for it back in my CS days: spray and pray. It involves no real player skill, which is not what this game is supposed to be about.

**d1sp0sabl3H3r0** · 03-20-2008, 06:47 PM

What is this 'skill' word you mention?

**Sabre_Tooth_Tigger** · 03-20-2008, 07:03 PM

A couple of times Ive shot at people and had shots returned with the suppression effect blurring my view, I didnt alter my aim and just kept firing single shot and I win the fight because I got my aim lined up before my view got screwed then I just have to hope the accuracy thing kicks in and one of my shots hits right.
Blind faith?

**LoveSkylark** · 03-20-2008, 09:37 PM

All the argument here look to me to be focuing on how the effect functions, to me the change in player behavior because of the effect is the big issue.

**FFLaguna** · 03-21-2008, 12:14 AM

In my opinion, the addition of the suppression effect has considerably changed the game for the better, for many of the reasons mentioned above. And as other people have already said, it is important to note that the suppression effect is not intended to simulate a real-life blur, but rather to force players to consider self-preservation and enable suppressive fire to actually work.

I do not feel that the change to one-on-one firefights is significant enough to warrant any change to the suppression effect overall, and I hope that the effect will not be strengthened or weakened in any way. It is very good where it is, and I sincerely believe it has considerably improved Project Reality.

03-20-2008, 05:23 PM	#32 (permalink)
FrankManik Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 247	Re: New Shader Effects Personally, I felt pretty suppressed in the last patch with the simple knowledge that if I died, it was a five to ten minute hike to get back to the action. That said, I like the idea of a suppression effect, but it could stand to be turned down a little. Specifically, I agree that being shot at may spook you a little, but it should not impair your ability to return fire in the general direction of the enemy while you beat feet towards cover.

03-20-2008, 05:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,227	Re: New Shader Effects Actually it doesn't impair your ability to return fire. You can still shoot and aim your weapon, you just can't do it with any certainty of hitting anything, but if you know where the enemy is, and can re-acquire that general location, you can return fire and try to suppress them in turn. I've killed several enemies while suppressed by just firing where I was aiming before the effect took place. And before anyone says it, yes, this will lead to drawn out firefights where you are suppressing each other, but honestly, combat is like that sometimes. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil StullUnlimited.com Offroad Parts and Fabrication

03-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 4,948	Re: New Shader Effects I'm sorry, but thats no better than running rambo through the woods with a SAW going full auto and racking up lucky kills. We used to have a term for it back in my CS days: spray and pray. It involves no real player skill, which is not what this game is supposed to be about. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

03-20-2008, 06:47 PM	#35 (permalink)
d1sp0sabl3H3r0 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Suburban Chicago Age: 42 Posts: 1,809	Re: New Shader Effects What is this 'skill' word you mention? __________________ \|TG-X\|d1sp0sabl3 An Admin of One 10th Tactical Guard \| PR Server Rules \| The TG Primer \| Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Contact an Admin \| Nominate someone for a ribbon here Bypassing the ambush is just what the ambushers expected us to do.

03-20-2008, 07:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
Sabre_Tooth_Tigger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: افغانستان Posts: 2,443	Re: New Shader Effects A couple of times Ive shot at people and had shots returned with the suppression effect blurring my view, I didnt alter my aim and just kept firing single shot and I win the fight because I got my aim lined up before my view got screwed then I just have to hope the accuracy thing kicks in and one of my shots hits right. Blind faith? __________________ *WWII German infantry weapons in detail*

03-20-2008, 09:37 PM	#37 (permalink)
LoveSkylark Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Iceland Age: 34 Posts: 277	Re: New Shader Effects All the argument here look to me to be focuing on how the effect functions, to me the change in player behavior because of the effect is the big issue. __________________ TG-E1st TacticalGamer European Division \| Team up with us today!

03-21-2008, 12:14 AM	#38 (permalink)
FFLaguna Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Fort Bragg, NC Age: 22 Posts: 129	Re: New Shader Effects In my opinion, the addition of the suppression effect has considerably changed the game for the better, for many of the reasons mentioned above. And as other people have already said, it is important to note that the suppression effect is not intended to simulate a real-life blur, but rather to force players to consider self-preservation and enable suppressive fire to actually work. I do not feel that the change to one-on-one firefights is significant enough to warrant any change to the suppression effect overall, and I hope that the effect will not be strengthened or weakened in any way. It is very good where it is, and I sincerely believe it has considerably improved Project Reality.

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