A.WICKENS

Good thread, with the sparsity of people willing to go Co in 0.8 it's about time Sl's had a reminder of good comms protocol. I mean if someone is willing to go Co we should at least try to give intel in an appropriate and orderly manner. I know I sometimes forget in the heat of the moment and fail to appreciate that the CO maybe already be talking to others.

Me "CO I am not saying my position on the flag is precarious but I have one foot on a roller skate and the other on a bar of soap waiting for it to rain"!

CO " Calm down Wickens I am talking to someone else mate".

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Delta*RandyShugart*

I still use the tips that i learned in the previous releases of PR most notably from AFSoccer, D1sposable, and TheGreatNardini, fuzzhead, dirtboy (there are others but i really learned a lot from those mentioned especially AFSoccer).

Give the CO a few seconds to get into the CP and look at the squad layout, if it is mid game the CO might use this time to organize the squads, reassign assets, kits, combine or separate squads etc. This can be particularly important if the team is losing mid round and there doesn't seem to be a cohesive bond.

If you are a SL and wish to speak to the CO simply say: Squad X Commander here, or something along those lines.

If you see armor, infantry, FB's or anything, just don't respond: we have armor contact, infantry contact.

Give as much information as possible, that way the CO will be able to let squads in the Area know what is going on and if they are going to be in danger or if they will be able to assist.

Don't give out bearings of the compass, because the CO is nowhere near you and doesn't know which way you are facing etc.

Try and give a Map grid, or if you are facing north, east or west and with your squad (not spread out all over the place but instead are close in proximity to one another) give a clock reading i.e. enemy to my nine o'clock. - From my own experience I have found on certain occasions as a SL or even as a squad member and if we are in a line or diamond formation giving that reading is easier and less confusing than saying enemy at bearing 155.

If the SL asks you a question try and give a clear and concise answer quickly. If you are under fire, at least say that and then the CO will hold, and you will be able to respawn when there is a break between bullets or tank shells or bombs and at the same time he will be able to update all in the area and or at least be able to mark things on the map given your location.

The SL's are the eyes and ears on the battlefield. They are also the last lines of defense. The CO is only as useful as his team, if you are a SL and are willing to listen the CO will also be willing to listen to your suggestions.

Sometimes I do speak to every squad at once, this is sometimes to update everyone on a scenario that just came about, or to let everyone know how many tickets are left, if an area attack is available and sometimes I do it if a SL is not being a team player on a consistent basis. Some have told me it is a form of embarrassing the player, but I look at it as a way to get the player to shape up or ship out.

I prefer that SL's have microphones, and use their mics even if there is a language barrier i welcome that more than if the SL has to type everything. This is especially true with using of assets, nothing is more frustrating as a CO then to have an SL in charge of assets, and he doesn't have a mic but the rest of his squadmates do. Also from my experience I prefer if the SL is in an armor or helo squad or even in a jet squad that they are the driver (armor), pilot (if need be the helo pilot) or in jets or helicopters that they are the officer on the ground Lasing and marking targets.

^^ The above works very well especially in the heat of battle, because if you are gunning and flying sometimes its hard to talk and fly or gun at the same time, and you can easily hit the attack order if there is an enemy prescence and update me via microphone on the status of the AO around you.


Somethings not to do over the mic:

Complain that you don't want to defend. I have seen way too much of that on operation barracuda as the Chinese Commander, and on other maps. PR isn't about going balls to the wall or dying constantly in a hail of bullets. Defense is sometimes just as good as a hard pressed offense. Don't clog up team chat either if you are unhappy, it only adds to your need of attention, and don't talk over other squads if the CO asks you politely to hold

If you plan on taking an asset, update the CO. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing an asset leave the main with a crew from a squad that is supposed to be an infantry squad. Remember the CO can see what the team is doing on the map, but cannot hear you talking to your individual squad members. And also ask or make a suggestion if you can use this asset or this vehicle, it really helps out.

If a specialty kit is reserved for (a) certain squad(s) don't use it unless otherwise told. Same thing goes for assets.

This goes for SL's and squad members if u need extraction or drop off, don't type in team chat, have your SL talk to the CO to relay the info, and also to see if the area is safe. This is one of the reasons why there is a CO so everyone is on the same page.

If you are a SL in TS and the CO is in TS with other SL's or if you are all in a Coordination channel don't simply say "Squad 1 i'm going to come help you" especially if the CO is in the same channel, or even if hes not. Nothing is more annoying and frustrating when a SL says on TS that he is going to support another squad and doesn't tell the CO or doesn't even bother to ask him in TS.

If you are a SL and doing CAS, don't get a spec ops kit, grab an officer's kit and don't have your pilots wait at the airfield until the planes spawn, go cap flags, if there is a CO you don't have to worry about your precious planes being taken away from you.

That's about it. Hope this is helpful. If I remember anything that I forgot I will either edit it in or if I am no longer able to I will post another reply.

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Fighter

Another problem I noticed: you have an English-Speaking CO with a couple squads that don't understand English. It's extremely hard to communicate. Even with markers, you can't communicate your entire message. Understanding English also goes for text chat, believe me it aggravates me to no end.

Another point(a bit off-topic):You usually don' t see me go comm because: #1 I'm not a good CO by any means. #2: I usually take flak from at least one SL about my voice. Sure you can report them, but that just angers them more and shows you as a "tattle-tale" and usually most people |TG| tags included just tell you to shut up and play the game. I wish that as CO, you could remove an SL from leadership.

Delta*RandyShugart*

fighter you might want to redo this bit, it will be taken out of context, and there is no rule that you have to speak english, and no reason why you would want to report them if they dont? -....many PR players don't, or if they have a thick accent you just have to pay more attention or ask them to speak slower or louder.

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Fighter

All I was trying to point out is it really hurts communication on the battlefield, nothing else.

Delta*RandyShugart*

I know fighter.

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Fighter

Mind editing your quote? Take a look back at the original post.

Sabre_Tooth_Tigger

Coordinates work in any language so as long they understand the basic code which not everyone who speaks english does. No need for conversation beyond the basics imo and bad mics are as common as a thick accent, etc

I do wish co could revoke some powers of a sl though it might become petty. It would mean ensuring one person wasnt acting badly rather then the whole team. Something like remove asset working for rally points, for when the uber leet squad is attacking a base 3 flags out of play for example

A basic tactic not always used, 'on my marker'.
Very simply that is the most accurate means to designate a target pretty much, co can see it and set another squads marker to the same place.
Could be used in cas to good effect, etc

Again not really dependant on language so much as good practice

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Kev5440

Grr, people need to use this much more often.


BTW, whats your location, I know a little arabic and I cant figure it out. Natsnajafa?

sniggedi

There will always be a language barrier and we should be glad that most people can speak at least a little English.

Two days ago, I was in someone's (don't wanna call names but it was an IHS member) squad on Ramiel, we were on the US team. We had a guy in our squad who obviously had difficulties understanding orders because he just didn't understand the SL very well. When the leader wanted him to be an engineer, he spawned medic. When the leader wanted him to stay at the rallypoint and wait for the other squad members to spawn so we can move as a team, he didn't wait. It went to a point where our SL was getting pissed about him "ignoring" orders (so was I) and he was about to kick him from the squad -- he left on his own before that could happen. At first I was reliefed as if we just solved a problem -- but then I realized how dumb our behaviour actually was. Don't get me wrong, we didn't hassle that guy or anything but it felt good to have finally gotten rid of him. I just realized that not everybody is fortunate enough to understand the language we speak and we should have a little more patience if somebody is having a hard time following orders because of this.

I think I already went too far off-topic so here's the conclusion: this is still just a game. If there's a squad that cannot follow your CO orders because they don't speak English, you don't have to try too hard to make them. Have fun by letting others have fun, even if that means losing a map.

Just my two cents.



Fighter: I had the luck to play in your squad once but you probably won't remember me (Kashan Vodnik convoy, you took some screenshots etc.). You might have heard it lots of times before but you are more mature than most adults I have played with. I wish every 14yo was like you.

KomradeObama

That is still there but the CO needs to put the marker down in response to a SL calling it in.
For me, I don't scan the text as much as a CO so never depend on a single chat message to the CO.
If you don't have VIOP tell another VIOP squad to check if the CO got your chat message.

White boys pretty much all sound alike so the squad designation is muy importante, capicse ?
If you have an accent then I usually remember your voice but all the suburban white guys sound alike and it is REALLY easy to forget to check who is talking and approve an order because you thought it was sq5 requesting something and it was really squad 1.

Played a game yesterday with K.Dotman and he was wonderful on the comms, plenty of useful info and no useless chatter. My squad did very well on that too.

=KOF=CR8Z

Slower and louder ALWAYS helps!

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MarineSeaknight

Ollie?

Can you speak S-L-O-W-E-R and LOUDER for me please? Always?




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