Crombo

I hear this responce all the time and frankly its BS. Load times shmode times, having a first come first serve attitude is saying "OKAY we wont give your named Sqd the assets it needs because you loaded in first and named it BUT, IF YOU LOAD IN FIRST AND GET TO THE ASSET its yours." Am I the only one seeing this?!?

Load times can be resolved by saying "NO LOCKED SQDs." You load in a little slower no problem, you just join one of the named Sqds.

Secondly, Disposable lets put you in the drivers chair here. Lets say you spend the entire first 3 mins of the game getting one of your Team convoys set up. This includes you talking with everyone on TS and mumble and getting all the cordination set up. Then the game loads and some random people run in grab the Helos, Armor and Supply trucks and run off. According to you, a SMART TGer would say "Oh well, thats the way it is... lets just forget all of the things we just talked about and cordinated and um..... Well well do something.

This just screwed not only you, but 2 other Sqds (Helo and Armor Sqds) and probably just ruined our entire round (Yes I do feel better when I see you and your convoys out there cause I know I have at least 3 Sqds all on voice and ready to help if my sqd needs it).

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McGann

Nothings says you have to say "Oh well, thats the way it is... " you can explain to the rest of the people what you plan is. If you are planning something that big shouldn't you have a commander too? Ooops...having a commander fixes that problem as well. Everyone can have ice cream now.

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Celestial1

Or maybe because of all the communication we have between players on the server we have come to expect such a high level of teamwork that we don't have to rely on a commander. We get a sense of security, but when people completely disregarding rules or just have a lack of courtesy even if they do follow the rules shatters that and makes everyone aggravated.

Just interjecting your quip because it happens to meet the criteria for a situation and then having your witty statement of the week, doesn't prove that you'd do it too. Sometimes, the only people coordinating are the people that are in the action, and don't believe that they need a commander when they have the ability to cut out the middle man, making them more efficient.

snooggums

I've NEVER been able to create/join a CAS squad and fly jets on the TG server, it's always formed before I load, locked often with the same 3 people for months on end. I get to fly transport choppers occasionally, haven't been in an attack chopper more than 4 times in 3 years.

I'm decent with all of them but when I see the people who hog those assets bitch about someone else using them I die a little inside.

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d1sp0sabl3H3r0

I have to disagree here. Load times do make a difference. If you've loaded in at 1:30 left to go, odds are fairly high that the 'Attack Helo' squad is already formed and has 2 people or more in it. How many more do they need? Same with the jet squad. There are only so many of those things to go around.


Let's talk about naming squads for assets for a second. What happens when there are 5 jet squads? What happens when new players load half way in to a map and see no attack helos up so they name a squad 'attackhelo' and wait in the main for the next batch to spawn? Is this something where, once again, the admins need to get involved to settle the dispute over who has the right to the assets? In my opinion, and more importantly in my experience, that is exactly what is going to happen. So what has this new rule really solved? Nothing at all, as we still need to get admins involved to settle disputes over the toys, and that is where the real problem is.

No matter what we do or say, no matter how many rules we do or don't make, it always boils down to the fact that the admins need to get involved in almost every situation where there are flying toys involved. This is why you'll see the admins stating that we don't need more rules, pure and simple. For a mature community of gamers, we sure do need a lot of oversight on how we behave in-game.

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Celestial1

If I'm able to play PR again in the future, ask me to give up a spot so you can fly, same goes for anyone.

I really don't mind, people just have a reluctancy to ask because they often assume (and somewhat rightfully so) that everyone who does make those squads is a one-track-mind asset-hog.

The only reason I will ever complain about asset stealing is when it is done neglectfully (ie, they take the jets and don't actually provide any reliable CAS to the team), or when it is done by breaking rules.



Sidenote: I am in complete agreement with Disposable. There really aren't need for new rules. Refining gaping loopholes that may appear, yes, but new rules are not needed.

Always remember, though, that just like the best laid plans can backfire, the best sets of rules can have loopholes.

KevlarBR

Yeah, exactly... It's just like BF2 when it started: people with fast computers would be the first to load and get the jets/choppers... I did that enough times to get sick to finally realize I'd give others a chance.

Assigning a special vehicle to a squad names after it wouldn't help much either. I have one, you have one? Who made it first? Whose is the vehicle then? It's bad enough seeing 2 CAS squads made in the same team, imagine 4...

Like most rules/attitudes required for a mature and fun gameplay, it can be pretty much resumed into common sense... If you use it a lot, let someone else get a chance at it. But, like I read in this same forum months ago in a thread, apparently common sense is not that common... Sad.

And Celestial, good to know you'll gladly give others a chance to fly is they ask, wish more people would act the same... But I'm pretty sure 90%+ will tell you to go play hide and seek outside and go fek yerself if you ask them to use the A-10.

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Axis_Sniper

Pfft I only got to gun in an attack chopper once, and it didn't last long because Don flipped the chopper while he was taking a phone call. I've done trans port on the TG server once, but that didn't last long either. They needed Bradleys, and I am just a little under average with the chopper, putting it mildly.




But on a more seriously, and idea driven note: Maybe we should try something new here, and try an Asset-Free Friday. Just try it to see how it goes. The maps consist of nothing but Trucks, Jeeps, and maybe a crate or two.

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Mix0lydian

Humvees and Trucks are assets too.

New rules aren't needed, people need to learn how to enjoy playing infantry again. And people who fly should know how much is too much and let someone else fly. If they crash several times and lose the round for the team, they'll stop flying as much and maybe even go on a training server if we suggest it. It's just a game.

If it's been a long time since you've flown and would like to fly, politely ask on Mumble if the CAS squad would give you an invite, or ask in team chat. You can report them if they are rude/give attitude. If you load slow and can't create a CAS squad before a faster loader does, ask one of your TG buddies on Mumble to create a CAS squad and save a place for you (even if she will not be doing CAS that round).

Best option still to have a CO though.

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Crombo

Maybe we have such a mature group because of our rules and oversights?!?

And why do people keep saying "We dont need new rules." Wouldnt this just be updating or trying a fix on an old rule? And what would be so bad about trying it for a night or two? Would our servers come crashing down? Would the world as we know it cease to exist?

Honestly, some one answer me why we are sooooo afraid to try it for a night or two?

This is the fix to everyones load time response. ASK for petes sake! We should all be on voice anyway right? Just ask on TS or Mumble for one of the guys to keep a spot for you.

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Axis_Sniper

You know what I meant, Mix, you goose.

I think it could be a fun idea, Infantry map night. Kinda like password night, but with mostly infantry maps... Or maps played on the 16 version.

I'm not saying to make it permanent, but at least give it a try one night.

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snooggums

There used to be a server rotation thread up in the stickies, maybe you could post up a suggested maplist for 16 player versions to have for a week?

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Delta*RandyShugart*

Hey Admins!! Yeah you guys over there, can you come over here and hold my hand while I play this video game!!!?? X Player is being mean and using assets and saying I can't use one, then there's someone on a flag on the map somewhere who says I can't help defend, and then there's some player who was on this other map a few rounds ago I think that wouldn't let me ride in his hummvee and use the .50 cal gun.

Can you please hold my hand and make sure I don't get hurt, please Mr. Admin, please!!!

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A.WICKENS

Just to clarify, as far as I'm aware only the CO can assign assets.

- naming your squad '? asset', counts for nothing

- calling an asset on TS before the round has started counts for nothing, the asset hoarders love to do this one, often whilst we are still playing the previous round

- calling an asset on mumble counts for less than nothing as it's not even the officially supported means of communication at TG at present

NB Calling assets on any Voip excludes non-voip users, you may not like it but VOIP ain't compulsory

This thread and some of the replies appear to me to be merely thinly veiled attempts to justify the asset hogging that goes on already and bring about a rule change that would suit said players.

I hear sentiments like 'I would let a pubbie fly if he asked', lol, who do you think you are? They have as much right to take that asset as you do, maybe, morally, even more so, as I bet they have had less chance to use it than you.

The other supposed argument put forward is that 'it's about teamwork and not wasting assets'. Pull the other one, it's about you getting your way, it's about you getting to fly the Hydra Huey every damn time, it's about you getting the LB or the Apache, it's all about you.

Wasting tickets, right. When someone else crashes it's because they are a noob, when you crash it's lag. Bet you step down and let someone else fly when your having a bad day, sure you do.

This rant is not directed specifically at the OP or the contributors to this thread, it's for all the asset hoarding players out there that couldn't give a monkeys' about anyone else on the server.

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