M95 Uses on Al Basrah - Page 2

**WhiskeySix** · 04-07-2007, 08:41 AM

I don't think any projectile could knock a person back 30yds.... that's 90 feet! twice the length of a small house. flesh just doesn't hold together that well...

For an impact blast, where the shockwave hits the entire body, sure - or if the projectile is a bus or something, again where the force isn't sheering the body....

**johnflenaly** · 04-07-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

I don't think any projectile could knock a person back 30yds.... that's 90 feet! twice the length of a small house. flesh just doesn't hold together that well...

For an impact blast, where the shockwave hits the entire body, sure - or if the projectile is a bus or something, again where the force isn't sheering the body....

I'm assuming this is a .50 cal round. Yeah bodies don't tend to fly back from those so much as just explode.

aculle01 · 04-07-2007, 01:47 PM

A) this is a game and people like finding and playing with special toys.

B) Yes, Geneva says .50 cal shall not be used on soft targets but every soldier who is trained on a .50 caliber weapon knows that when the stuff hits the fan he will use whatever means necessary to save not only his life but the lives of those around him.

msdz · 04-07-2007, 02:10 PM

I seen the episode of Mythbusters and will argue that they were at to close of a range to have any recoil for some of the bullets being used. Take a muzzleloading weapon with a .54 caliber bore and shoot a pig sized animal and see what happens. The slower moving big slug of that weapon hits with such an impact that it will "fly" back a little, about 5 feet from where it was standing. Also the range would be at about 90-110 yards.(I shot a wild boar and that happened).
BUT THEN
I also wonder if it might be reflexes from the target being hit that might cause it to have the effect of "flying"? I have shot deer and also seen them jump, spin, and just about everything else after being hit by the bullet and some just drop like a bad habit.
The M95 shoots a .50 caliber bullet, since it is shooting a high powered bullet I would assume to have a human target have any effect of "flying" back it would have to be at the end of the bullets range, after the bullet has used most of the energy propelling it to the target, just when it would have a very good drop at such a distance.
Still I do not see a human flying back 30 yards, possibly a few feet.

Embiggener · 04-07-2007, 05:11 PM

Ive just heard some loopholes are exploited.

Theyre not breaking the geneva convention if theyre firing at the enemy's equipment (radio, canteen etc), and "sometimes"(always) that equipment happens to be strapped to the enemy soldier.

The ground is also a nice target for shooting at, the ground underneath the enemy.

freekyE · 04-07-2007, 10:49 PM

I also saw the ep of mythbusters. It was pretty interesting and i really really wish i could get a hold of some of that ballistics jelly they use all the time to take to the range.....just to see what happens.

Anyway, I think we're all in agreement that IF the full amount of energy from a .50 cal sniper round were to be expended on a human target, it would propel tehm some distance. 90feet seems pretty extensive.

The problem is that no matter what kind of armor youre wearing , that round is going to punch straight through you at full speed and not even think about slowing down. The amount of energy transfer is probobly negligeble compared to the energy transfer if it hits something like a manhole cover or engine block.

I think its also pretty safe to say that in a video game its cool to light up your freinds but none of us really wants to see another human being hit by one of these rounds....i would have nightmares im shure.

**stickyjeans69** · 04-08-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by msdz

I have seen a M95 shoot targets at about 250 Yards away, the sniper shooting the gun is usually prone and prepared for any recoil the gun may have, besides the gun is usually on bipods which also help dissipate some of the recoil along with the weight of the gun. Ever try shooting a 4 pound .300 Weatherby Magnum? It will rip your shoulder off compared to one that weighs almost 11 pounds, which the M95 weighs 23.5 pounds empty without a scope. Anyway, the target usually unprepared will have an impact recoil, causing it to "fly" unless the target is to close for the bullet to have any effect.... bullets can move to fast to have a good impact at a close target, in essence, go through a human or deer and the target only has a hole the size of the bullet caliber. The M95 is one of these bullets that will have this effect on a human target at close range(usually anything less than 2,000 yards), also considered inhumane cause the target WILL NOT die quickly unless of course it is a head shot, which the military shuns against cause of such a little target, it is a chance shot at a good distance, kill the body and the brain will follow.
Anyone know the reason for FMJ bullets??

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use in warfare of bullets which easily expand or flatten in the body. (Reason... means the enemy is not intended to be killed but badly injured enough to cease fighting, a soft lead or hollow point bullet would cause more damage to enemy, possibly killing the enemy. Killing the enemy will cause his comrads to continue fighting possibly more determined so. An injured enemy means someone might cease fighting to render assistance to the injured enemy.)

Oh, at 250 yards away the M95 .50 caliber bullet WAS lifting a 200 pound sand bag about 30 feet in the air making it appear that it had exploded. General distance that the .50 caliber bullet can be shot from the M95 and be accurate is about 1.5 miles.

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Originally Posted by Dick Blonov

That gets my vote.

If the target was sent flying 30 yards, you would be right. The energy required to send that bullet from 0 to about 3000 fps results in recoil (and muzzle flip). Without factoring friction and gravity, that is the maximum energy received at the target, assuming 100% energy transfer (ie, if the bullet did not go through the target and did not lose velocity as it flew to the target). FYI, an M33 .50 cal round has about 4 times the muzzle energy of a 7.62 NATO round. I doubt shooting a 145 pound deer with a .308 sends them flying 6-7 yards (and I don't mean the jerking reaction because it's getting shot).

DB

funny you would mention the 300. weatherby Magnum, i Own one

, not a Mark V though, Vangaurd. the Gun is a BEAST, it weighs around 8 pounds and i can only shoot 5 rounds through it before my arm is badly bruised and aching, im really considering heading to the local gun smith for a muzzel brake. in Comparison, the Famous 30-06 round holds 45 grains of powder, it is one of the most common calibers hunters use, mine holds 82 of the same brand powder, thats just under double. the 30-06 lets off a 165 grain bullet at 2400FPS or so. pretty good. the 300 weatherby mag does another 1100FPS to that 2400, the recieving end will not have any chance due to the amount of energy a bullet like this:http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=3&bullet=3 can transfer. got my first elk now and was a horrible shot, nowhere near anything vital that should have took it down, paralyzed. now keeping that in mind, the M95 shoots a 50 BMG round. now, for some realization of a 50 caliber round the 50 BMG the armed forces use has a 833 Grain Bullet, that is a HEAVY round. and it puts this round off 600FPS faster then the 30-06, 3000FPS there is a HUGE amount of Kinetic energy behind a 50 caliber round, enough to go through ANY body part with energy to spare. an idea of the energy transfered, my 300 weatherby hit that elk with somewhere around 3200 Foot-pounds of energy, this is enough to paralyze a horse sized animal nowhere near the vitals. now, the 50BMG depending on how loaded, does around 10000-15000 foot-pounds, one round does the job, evertime, from taking off a leg to turning the inside of your torso into a smoothy. as far as kick goes, the Muzzel brake does a very good job, hence why it's there, many who have shot the rifle describe it (in the prone position) as the kick similar to a 12 gauge shotgun, a very subtle gun compared to the 300 weatherby.

msdz · 04-08-2007, 08:17 PM

*cough cough* if a person wants those nightmares, there are some videos on the net of snipers. That is all I am saying on that subject.
At a very close range, the energy of a high powered bullet will go through a target and the bullet NOT have the chance to expand, leaving the body and leaving an exit wound the SAME size as the bullets diameter.
That .300 Weatherby is a little light isn't it sticky, must kick like a mule. I have shot .300 Winchester mags weighing in at 11 pounds and no more kick than a .410 would give somebody. The M24 weighs in at 12.1 pounds empty and no scope and shoots a 7.62x51mm or .300 Wichester magnum. Which the M24 is more less the same as the Remington 700 BDL. I think I would hate to shoot your gun weighing in at about 8 pounds!!!

**stickyjeans69** · 04-08-2007, 11:11 PM

it's a hunting rifle

made light to travel fast! but in all seriousness, the gun is a beast.

**Belhade** · 04-09-2007, 12:50 AM

Am I the only one playing this game who has never discharged a firearm?

I've held one or two, but my expertise in marksmanship applies only so far as to rubber-band and air-powered recreational guns.

msdz · 04-09-2007, 01:50 PM

Belhade, once you have your taste of shooting an actual gun you would love it. I can not describe it, just one of those things you would need to do yourself. My first high powered rifle I ever shot was a .300 Winchester Magnum and every since I enjoy just going to the shooting range and putting a few bullets in a target. I love shooting muzzleloader rifles the best, love the smell of the burnt powder, the sound, and when hunting with one it makes me think about the days long gone when you only had one shot to get food for your family, if you missed your food ran away...FAST. Find a buddy that has a rifle and ask him to shoot it at a shooting range, you will be buying your first gun after that, lol.

Oh Sticky, where I live, the most used caliber bullet is the 30-30. Most deer are taken in less than 75 yards and nothiing anymore powerful is really needed. If you are using a 30-06 around here it is kinda of an overkill or you found one of the few areas that can have a long distance shot. Last deer I shot was about 60 feet away and I used a JHP bullet and it still went through the deer, my buddy said I should have just pulled my knife and sliced it's throat it was so close, lol. I had a 7mm Magnum but ended up selling it cause I never went to an area that I needed that gun. To wooded and brushy where I hunt.

**ednos** · 04-09-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Belhade

I've held one or two, but my expertise in marksmanship applies only so far as to rubber-band and air-powered recreational guns.

Get yourself to a shooting thing; it's totally worth the money. At a Smith & Wesson thing in Springfield, MA I shot a generic .22, a PPK, an M&P 9mm, an M&P .45, and a .50 revolver. Had I not tried the last one, it would've been about $60.

dys · 04-09-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by msdz

Belhade, once you have your taste of shooting an actual gun you would love it. I can not describe it, just one of those things you would need to do yourself.

the thing that sticks in my mind most is the smell. cleaning agents and gunpowder are rock and roll anymore, as odd as it sounds. scrubbing down an m-9 is recreational even, but the m-16a2 is still a bitch, sadly. sorry for the m4 crowd, and their tight stock.

best part of firing for me is taking the time to line up the shot. hit or miss, beading something is purely mental. i'd liken it to zoning out to your music of choice.

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Originally Posted by ednos

Get yourself to a shooting thing; it's totally worth the money. At a Smith & Wesson thing in Springfield, MA I shot a generic .22, a PPK, an M&P 9mm, an M&P .45, and a .50 revolver. Had I not tried the last one, it would've been about $60.

yah, at most indoor ranges you could burn a few boxes of 9mm and spend less than if you'd went to the movies with a date. even moreso if you're a member.

**ednos** · 04-09-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dys

yah, at most indoor ranges you could burn a few boxes of 9mm and spend less than if you'd went to the movies with a date. even moreso if you're a member.

Even moreso if she wants to buy "refreshments" at the theater... geez, what a money hole.

msdz · 04-10-2007, 01:58 PM

Cheaper than a date, WHAT? Bullets are expensive when you have to buy enough for yourself and the wife, sometimes the sister-in-laws. I got her into shooting and then she got her younger sisters loving it. Youngest sister of hers was petrified of guns till I talked her into shooting my 30-30, now the girl can't get enough of it. Still got to work them up to sight in on Bambi, lol. Wife will, not her sisters. My wife shot a 25-06 and she fell in love with that gun and wants one now, I keep telling her it isn't practical to hunt with in this area though.
Yeah dys, the smell of the powder is what I love, especially a muzzleloader going off. That is the best smell, it is a smell of POWER, lol. The other thing I enjoy is when shooting a 30-30 at a deer about 50-60 yards away the sound of the bullet impacting on the deer, has such an enjoyable THUD. I have only heard that with the 30-30 though at that distance.

04-07-2007, 08:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
WhiskeySix Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gillette Stadium, Section 309, Row 12, Seat 24 Age: 33 Posts: 8,279	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah I don't think any projectile could knock a person back 30yds.... that's 90 feet! twice the length of a small house. flesh just doesn't hold together that well... For an impact blast, where the shockwave hits the entire body, sure - or if the projectile is a bus or something, again where the force isn't sheering the body.... __________________ *PoE2 Version 2.5 Overview \| Get started with PoE2 (for free!)*

04-07-2007, 01:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
aculle01 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Monterey, CA Age: 25 Posts: 1,398	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah A) this is a game and people like finding and playing with special toys. B) Yes, Geneva says .50 cal shall not be used on soft targets but every soldier who is trained on a .50 caliber weapon knows that when the stuff hits the fan he will use whatever means necessary to save not only his life but the lives of those around him. __________________ "I once thought I had mono for an entire year. It turned out I was just really bored."

04-07-2007, 02:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
msdz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: WV Age: 36 Posts: 787	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah I seen the episode of Mythbusters and will argue that they were at to close of a range to have any recoil for some of the bullets being used. Take a muzzleloading weapon with a .54 caliber bore and shoot a pig sized animal and see what happens. The slower moving big slug of that weapon hits with such an impact that it will "fly" back a little, about 5 feet from where it was standing. Also the range would be at about 90-110 yards.(I shot a wild boar and that happened). BUT THEN I also wonder if it might be reflexes from the target being hit that might cause it to have the effect of "flying"? I have shot deer and also seen them jump, spin, and just about everything else after being hit by the bullet and some just drop like a bad habit. The M95 shoots a .50 caliber bullet, since it is shooting a high powered bullet I would assume to have a human target have any effect of "flying" back it would have to be at the end of the bullets range, after the bullet has used most of the energy propelling it to the target, just when it would have a very good drop at such a distance. Still I do not see a human flying back 30 yards, possibly a few feet.

04-07-2007, 05:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
Embiggener Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 23 Posts: 70	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah Ive just heard some loopholes are exploited. Theyre not breaking the geneva convention if theyre firing at the enemy's equipment (radio, canteen etc), and "sometimes"(always) that equipment happens to be strapped to the enemy soldier. The ground is also a nice target for shooting at, the ground underneath the enemy.

04-07-2007, 10:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
freekyE Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: indiana Posts: 1,000	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah I also saw the ep of mythbusters. It was pretty interesting and i really really wish i could get a hold of some of that ballistics jelly they use all the time to take to the range.....just to see what happens. Anyway, I think we're all in agreement that IF the full amount of energy from a .50 cal sniper round were to be expended on a human target, it would propel tehm some distance. 90feet seems pretty extensive. The problem is that no matter what kind of armor youre wearing , that round is going to punch straight through you at full speed and not even think about slowing down. The amount of energy transfer is probobly negligeble compared to the energy transfer if it hits something like a manhole cover or engine block. I think its also pretty safe to say that in a video game its cool to light up your freinds but none of us really wants to see another human being hit by one of these rounds....i would have nightmares im shure.

04-08-2007, 08:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
msdz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: WV Age: 36 Posts: 787	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah cough cough if a person wants those nightmares, there are some videos on the net of snipers. That is all I am saying on that subject. At a very close range, the energy of a high powered bullet will go through a target and the bullet NOT have the chance to expand, leaving the body and leaving an exit wound the SAME size as the bullets diameter. That .300 Weatherby is a little light isn't it sticky, must kick like a mule. I have shot .300 Winchester mags weighing in at 11 pounds and no more kick than a .410 would give somebody. The M24 weighs in at 12.1 pounds empty and no scope and shoots a 7.62x51mm or .300 Wichester magnum. Which the M24 is more less the same as the Remington 700 BDL. I think I would hate to shoot your gun weighing in at about 8 pounds!!!

04-08-2007, 11:11 PM	#24 (permalink)
stickyjeans69 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California Posts: 705	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah it's a hunting rifle made light to travel fast! but in all seriousness, the gun is a beast.

04-09-2007, 12:50 AM	#25 (permalink)
Belhade Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York (no, not the city) Age: 30 Posts: 1,114	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah Am I the only one playing this game who has never discharged a firearm? I've held one or two, but my expertise in marksmanship applies only so far as to rubber-band and air-powered recreational guns. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Belhade

04-09-2007, 01:50 PM	#26 (permalink)
msdz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: WV Age: 36 Posts: 787	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah Belhade, once you have your taste of shooting an actual gun you would love it. I can not describe it, just one of those things you would need to do yourself. My first high powered rifle I ever shot was a .300 Winchester Magnum and every since I enjoy just going to the shooting range and putting a few bullets in a target. I love shooting muzzleloader rifles the best, love the smell of the burnt powder, the sound, and when hunting with one it makes me think about the days long gone when you only had one shot to get food for your family, if you missed your food ran away...FAST. Find a buddy that has a rifle and ask him to shoot it at a shooting range, you will be buying your first gun after that, lol. Oh Sticky, where I live, the most used caliber bullet is the 30-30. Most deer are taken in less than 75 yards and nothiing anymore powerful is really needed. If you are using a 30-06 around here it is kinda of an overkill or you found one of the few areas that can have a long distance shot. Last deer I shot was about 60 feet away and I used a JHP bullet and it still went through the deer, my buddy said I should have just pulled my knife and sliced it's throat it was so close, lol. I had a 7mm Magnum but ended up selling it cause I never went to an area that I needed that gun. To wooded and brushy where I hunt.

04-10-2007, 01:58 PM	#30 (permalink)
msdz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: WV Age: 36 Posts: 787	Re: M95 Uses on Al Basrah Cheaper than a date, WHAT? Bullets are expensive when you have to buy enough for yourself and the wife, sometimes the sister-in-laws. I got her into shooting and then she got her younger sisters loving it. Youngest sister of hers was petrified of guns till I talked her into shooting my 30-30, now the girl can't get enough of it. Still got to work them up to sight in on Bambi, lol. Wife will, not her sisters. My wife shot a 25-06 and she fell in love with that gun and wants one now, I keep telling her it isn't practical to hunt with in this area though. Yeah dys, the smell of the powder is what I love, especially a muzzleloader going off. That is the best smell, it is a smell of POWER, lol. The other thing I enjoy is when shooting a 30-30 at a deer about 50-60 yards away the sound of the bullet impacting on the deer, has such an enjoyable THUD. I have only heard that with the 30-30 though at that distance.

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