theObfuscator

This thread was about a recommended protocol to improve the gaming experience that many other Supporting Members endorse and agree with wholeheartedly.

thePenguineer is perhaps one of the biggest, consistent and most passionate spokespersons for this cause. If you've ever played in her squad, on her team or even just in the same game, you would realize she's not just talk. She practices what she preaches with a deep conviction that if she could lead by example, the game would be better for the rest of us Supporting or Not.

The Status of being a Supporting Member DOES entitle you to priority inclusion in a round.

The Status of being a Supporting Member DOES give you immunity from being kicked from the server in favor of another TG Supporting Member.

The status of being a Supporting Member DOES NOT entail you the right to cast lesser roles to members of the TG community that aren't priviledged enough to afford the title "Supporting".

For those of us who can't, they try to find other ways to help support and improve the game experience for the whole community.

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lightzout

Great posts all. This debate represents excatly why I do support TG. Any long time gamer with server experience knows its easy to mmake rules and hard to enforce them. Personally I know I should report problems but never have "the time" or dont want to be the crybaby. After reading this topic I wonder how many great players we LOSE as a community by not giving them a stronger nudge to stop by here and see what is going on with PR and TG. I know I have been a problem player before by sheer ignorance but I found my way here to get sorted out. Its obvious that TG PR true believers like myself need to be vigilant about rule enforcement to keep the server's gameplay standards up to par with TG expectations. Why? I try to remember its so everyone has a chance to see the game being played how it was designed to be played.
This seems like the best way to attract and maintain a growing player base while keeping the old gaurd happy too.

My only complaint of late is how disparate the experience levels of one team can be to the other especially when one team has full squads of devs and hardcore crews. Hit tab between rounds to see how many players names you recognize on the other team and whether or not you might be able to bring some much needed balance to account for all the people who hop over between rounds.

Taip3n

Penguin has her eye on the ball.

I'm English; can I still vote her in for President?

Bc2ID

I can agree to a point with this, however.... Some folks late in the night wanted to squad up with their mates. Take the 1stMIP for example, I played a few rounds with E_Male and Cor, but later in the night they grouped together. They all switched to the same side and played as one unit. I like squadding with them and against them; it just adds to the challenge of the game. I happened to be on the side that lost most of the rounds and I can agree that there were some high calibur players on the "enemy side". However our side had some outstanding squads on it as well. We did not have a commander for most of the rounds which did account for many of the losses. I suppose you can look at the issue in two different ways... I prefer to use tactics and try to eliminate the enemy as opposed to keep hitting tab to see who is on the other side. Granted it does rasie the old BP to know that you will possibly have to engage the 1stMIP and the Seventh in battle though.

Overall, I thought the PW night was a success especially later in the evening.

Just my two dubloons...

PS: I would serve with thePenguineer any time and the fact that she is not a SM does not sway that. Just because you are not a SM does not discount what you have to say. Remember most of us were non-SM's at one time or another.

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Jeepo_SAS

I wana play with the penguineer!!!..... sounds wrong on so many levels, but you get my point!

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tHa_KhAn

I know the quality of play stinks sometimes, but during all those times you will see plenty of players who have the ability to right the ship, yet don't. If you're not feeling like being a vocal leader that night, then don't. That is fine, but don't complain when nothing happens.

That is what I see more often than not. When the complaints about "We need a commander." go up and no one steps up, why not the originator? If they don't want to do it, then why get upset?

If you play at odd times, then step up to the plate become a pillar of the community and reach admin status so you don't have to worry about it.

As Penguineer said, this is cyclical and will come about again in a week or two and include alot of the same people who want to sit in as a squad member in an expertly run squad with a great commander, but they never want to be the squad leader or commander or be the one to alt-tab and find an admin. Beginnings of the round are a great time to do the admin hunt.

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mingmong

What about chain of command infractions, an area that has basically been ignored?

PS. I feel it necessary to state that as a GMT-only player, I can't comment on adminning during American hours. However, as an admin essentially said that there isn't a problem and people are wkbed all the time, I can't help but feel that the difference in adminning between GMT and American hours is extremely disparate.

gerardnm

Guys go play the dev file server....when u come back the TG server is like heaven

asch

Unless an admin has direct interaction with this, it goes unseen. If a grunt doesn't follow SL orders and an admin is not in the squad, it goes unseen. If a SL doesn't follow CO orders and the CO isn't an admin, it goes unseen. What the admins need are reports of these infractions.

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Sir_Brass

I think the only thing you have to worry about there is if MasterEditor gets the wrong idea there .

But, yeah. I get your point and agree with you on it! .

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Ferris Bueller

Guys, its very simple. WE are responsible for policing ourselves. WE are responsible for policing the public on our server.

By "WE" I mean every member of TG that plays. If you see something wrong, take a screenshot. Make a report. I've seen a hundred different statements in a hundred different threads talking about the problems and nothing being done. Understand that the admins cant be on 24/7 and asking them to do so is unreasonable. Even if they were, they cant SEE everything. If you're a squad leader, you have the ability to boot people from your squad if they dont listen, but thats not enough. Make reports and have things done to handle it.

I've been playing on the Natural Selection servers for a long time and it works the same way there. Yes, they are pub servers, but the TG members that play there regulate it and make sure the rules are followed. The PR server should be no different. If you want a good place to play, you have to contribute, not just expect that it's going to be there for you without any effort.

Seriously guys and gals, TG has 15000 (thats no typo, check the number yourself) registered users on the forums. I know only about 10% of those are active throughout all of TG, but i'd be willing to bet that at least 150 of us play on the PR server. If 150 people would pitch in, hell if even 50 people would pitch in and take up the duty of reporting infractions that they see, we wouldnt have these kinds of threads popping up.

TANSTAAFL - There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Remember that. If you want it fixed, FIX IT YOURSELF. It's really that simple. Bottom line: dont complain, know the rules and enforce them to the best of your ability.

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mingmong

To clarify, "been ignored when reported".

Out of the relatively small number of issues that I've contacted the admins about, a lot of them have been CoC infractions, and I am yet to see one actually dealt with. I remember a conversation I had on TS with an admin. It's paraphrased because it was a while back.
"Hey, any admins on?"
*someone responds*
"Alright, so we're playing Sunset city at the minute, I'm commanding, and there's a squad leader of a full squad that hasn't changed out of a pilot kit the whole game. In fact, when he first joined, there was already a squad up for the asset. He has been informed by voip repeatedly to either change kits or give the SL up, and has done neither."
"So the guy is just using a pilot kit?"
"Yes."
"Is he teamkilling anyone for the chopper?"
"No."

After that, silence. The person continued to camp the little bird every time he died.

So no, I don't report CoC infractions anymore.

Ferris Bueller

Ming, I dont see that so much as a CoC infraction, but more of vehicle camping. He wasnt TKing people for it, but he wasnt playing with the spirit of teamwork in mind, which is REQUIRED, as we all know. Remember, that sometimes, although it may be annoying to spend your time doing it, making a dual report on the forums retroactively will help prevent it in the future.

I know its of little consolation that it works that way, but thats it.

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mingmong

I don't mind if someone camps a vehicle. But he was the SL of a full squad, the other 5 members of which were just milling around the map.

asch

Follow up with with the admin, then the game officer (Tempus). The admins won't always be perfect and sometimes we fail in getting the job done. Follow up with them privately to discuss and provide feedback.

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