Portable.Cougar

Its a weapon.
This being project "reality" IRL I would do anything I could to give myself an advantage against my enemy.

At 250m I can pop RP's with a heavy AT kit. There is skill invloved with that like there can be skill involved in anything.

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SPAZ_ninja

Both sides of the argument have made valid points. My feeling is that it's not so big a deal simply because the kit is limited to 2 per side.

I really dont get killed by it that much and even when u do get killed by it, i the enemy still has to see you before you see him and engage. I say roll with it, heavy AT is by no means an "uber-kit."

I wouldn't mind if the devs lowered the splash damage radius but I don't have a problem with the damage as it is. It is, after all, a big rocket....

gerardnm

I agree toatally. It's reality mod, in the vids we see of Iraq and Afghanastan the USA use H-AT vs insurgents and Iraqi army infantry all the time. AS long as the user isn't hoarding rounds for infantry only whilst ignoring tanks then its ok.

I've seen no probs with the use of this kit..... although i can understand people being annoyed if the get killed by it.........It is, after all, a big rocket...

Jarmen_Khell

Well, i find it at lest very valiable "style" and tactic for insurgent/militia mayby MEC. Allthough i have nothing agaist it to every faction using at agaist Inf. Yehh its bit annoying, but reminds you not to stand too near the walls when you see rpg guy closing in...

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Root

Someone started a thread to see who amongst our PR playerbase has military service. I don't see any of them posting to tell us how, during their RL training, they were rold that anti-tank weapons were great for blowing infantry up. My guess is that killing infantry probably didn't come up, unless they were being told not to waste a valuable AT round on a target it's not designed for.

You either :

a) haven't read the TG primer, or
b) don't understand it

Where it makes mention of using real-world tactics and strategy it doesn't mean the sort you'd like to think you'd use. It means the way current armed forces operate. They don't jump to avoid fire, they don't use anti-tank weapons on troops, they don't use their sidearm to engage a ccouple of tanks.

There's a disturbing number of people posting here, who clearly haven't read all the REQUIRED reading. It's all linked in the sticky called READ FIRST before posting in this forum, which some of you seem to have driven straight past without paying any attention.

/me calls for thread lock.

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IOOB_583

While I don't use rockets to "pick off" people there have been plenty of times when I round the bend knowing there is an APC or something close at hand. Of course, by the time the kit has switched and I get back out to fire I am confronted with enemy bodies comin at me. Becomes a shoot or die moment which, though I didn't look for, has occurred.

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movingtarget21

As someone who HAS military experience, AT4's and such are used to blow up light vehicles, clear buildings and other fortified positions. Same thing with H-AT and TOWs. In fact, when the US took down Uday and Qusay, Saddam's sons, they used a Vehicle Mounted TOW launcher on the building the enemy was in.

So in part, taking out a single soldier out in the open wouldn't be realistic, these rockets and missiles are just not accurate enough or practical for that purpose. On the other hand, they are practical for situations where the enemy is behind thick cover and use the rocket or missile to either take down the structure around the enemy or open a different angle to attack the enemy.

So my suggestion is that, sniping a single soldier out in the open is bad. A good use would be using it take out a whole or part of a squad (2 or more), taking out soldier(s) behind cover, or clearing enclose area.

BaneII

AT rounds are explosive projectiles, period. It's no different than a tank being used against infantry. Too many people are getting hung-up on the name of the weapon. If you want to get picky, show me where in real life people use C4 against tanks and infantry. However, I've never seen any objections when people C4 vehicles or flags.

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Grunt 70

Ahhh....this would be the BF2 GAME OFFICER at TG...Despite all the rationale spelled out from various parties, Tempus has issued a ruliing so it's not really, ahhh, up for debate.

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Red

As usual if there is a short cut to get an advantage people will use it. I confess that I killed infantry with the Heavy-AT kit but only if I was surprised while having the weapon active.

Its just silly getting the Heavy AT kit to snipe infantry. If you use it to kill infantry while hunting tanks fine but if you grab it on a map with the intention to snipe infantry then its both childish and unrealistic which both are contrary to the goal of PR.

Jeepo_SAS

I agree that both sides have valid points in this. However, recent case, Ejod, an OpFor (USMC) squad continually took up the roof in the centre of the city, with H-AT and medic and riflemen. Kept destroying MEC squads until i was able to gain acess to a roof undetected and 203 em. So now, i feel less remorse at using it if the opportunity, but you always have to prioritise your targets!

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Bc2ID

There is a reason why the AT guns are known as a "noob toob" Use it as is was intended for folks.

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ednos

So we should ignore the acronym RPG (rocket-propelled *grenade*)? I think in the Insurgent fighting style, using an RPG as a grenade launcher might be appropriate. I will cease to do so unless I get an administrator's approval, though.

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gerardnm

yawn...... this is a BF2 debate not a PR one, we're heading down the road of nerfing kits because guys dont like getting killed by them

What's next?....probably something about the guns being too accurateso we should bring back the cone of fire...

Lol this thread is people complaing they got killed by a heavy AT round....so what.

In the end where are people heading with this.....a compalint to an admin that someone killed u in a combat sim with a rocket?

C'mon guys this is silly and the exact same debate is on the vanilla site every day, lets leave it out of PR.

ednos

Gerard, the issue here is compliance with the rules: is it against the rules on the TG server to use the Heavy AT kit (or the Light AT for that matter) against infantry? It may be effective, but is it a real life tactic? You're treating the situation as an arcade game, not a simulation.

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