ChernobylKinsman

If the medic bag is click to operate and it's possible to code guns that can't be fired unless you are prone, would the same not be feasable for medic bags? (Although crouch/prone would make more sense).

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Im against things like this. All it does is make healing more annoying, risks it being buggy and doesnt add a lot to the game.

I think realism went out the door when I used the Jesus paddles on a guy hit by a light AT round, he got up and ran behind a wall and started to reload his gun. At this point I dont think me having to kneel is a big issue.

Though I would be all about a change that said you cant heal someone while they are firing their gun.

Realism is only good if it doesnt come at the cost of gameplay.

asch

Folks... again, let's remember this is a beta. The PR team has their reasons for trying out new features. No one will really know how it affects game play until the features are played over time.

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ChernobylKinsman

As an alternative to not being able to heal yourself at all? Currently you'll have to click it to heal a person anyway, 9 times out of 10 I'm crouched or prone using the bag as it is.

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I will respond to your post point per point, and conclusion of the debate at the bottom, im ready to move on to other topics kinda beat this one to death and then some :P

The thing your not realizing is: THINKING of different ways of doing things and actually IMPLEMENTING these things are completely different. We have a really innovative team (Im not one of these innovators hehe) that do some crazy ass **** to get things to work.
For example, the way we got bleeding vision to work was creates a tiny cloud of tear gas to spawn at the players location when he gets to a certain amount of health, and to have these tiny explosions appear when bullets hit near you to give the suppresion effect. Another example is just a couple days ago egg was having terribly difficult time getting commander/driver position zoom to work properly. All kinds of bugs with various ways he tried. He ended up sticking the zoom on the smoke launcher, and that gave the best result, so thats what will be in hehhee Of course the player wont notice, but the point is implementing ideas in BF2 engine is all about trial and error and ****ing about until you get something that is prety close to your original idea. Not a task for the impatient...

see above.

medic has 3 field dressings.

This I completely disagree with. Majority of players that I know are currently playing armed assault or other games right now instead of PR because they feel the gameplay pacing is still way too fast. I think its insanely spammy right now. If I didnt know what was coming in v0.6, I would prolly say forget about PR... to each their own, but I know Im not alone when I say gameplay is way too fast paced. I dont mean so much '3 hours in one map' I mean more like its very common to see alot of players dying 20+ times in one round. To me, that is ridiculous...

see first point. Its not a 'seperate change' its part and parcel because of the way it was implemented.

disagree, medic + self heal + body armor would make those medics even MORE like meatshields...

Find a way to do this and it would be good idea to implement. So far we have had no luck...

CONS:

they will not be able to play as lonewolfs as effectively, and it will take a bit longer to get healing from the squad. I hardly think it will be as severe as you say.

Yeap, medics are not equipped as offensively as other classes, point taken.

Yeap I think it will be great to have to cover a medic while he does his thing.

Disagree with the 'no fun' factor. It will definitely become a harder class to play as a lonewolf, but overall I think it will still be a very highly valuable and sought after class for good teamwork squads. I dont think this change will make the medic 'no fun to play', in fact, with the new body armor and larger mag count, I can see the class getting to shoot more often and able to give suppresive fire now.

Basically every single active person on the dev team thinks the auto-healing medics should go, so its not one mans vendetta but an entire dev team good try though


When someone makes a breakthrough on these issues Im sure youll hear about it and Im sure we will get ****tons of comments about why it shouldnt be fixed.

Its funny cause every tactical gamer I have asked about the question says absolutely remove the abilitiy for medics to self-heal as its neither realistic nor good for gameplay. So I dont think its as cut n dry as you make it seem.


Bottom of the line: Medics have to look straight down while standing and clicking to heal themselves. This is technically a 'bug' but to players with your mindset its a 'feature'. Currently there is no easy way to remove this 'feature' and egg is happy with the progress he has made, so that is probably how its gonna ship with v0.6. So its a compromise that we can probably both agree on. While I still think medic self healing should be removed completely I think this is gonna be great new change of pace for the medic role. If you still think it sucks, well, you still gonna play the mod regardless hehe Adapt and overcome...
But please if you join my squad, I expect my Combat Medics to be Riflemen first, and medics second. Eliminate or supress the threat, THEN pick-up your fallen comrades and pull them to cover, then once its safe, apply your healing magical bag heehhe
Medics who run around with just their bag and defibulators out in my squad usually get an earful from my end... unless we are just tard rushing or playing stupidly, in which case go nuts hehe

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ednos

What would be nice: if it was possible to change squad size to ten or so. That way it wouldn't be a sacrifice to have two medics in the group.

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stickyjeans69

hardcoded though, i fully support this change, i think it will be great

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can you say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Reality mod?

Sabre_Tooth_Tigger

20 deaths would be about 10 mins of doing nothing but cursing so good point there


Will medics still be able to move while healing themselves. Being completely still to get a heal sounds a good compromise to me even if its a bit too easy to solo still

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7ShadesOSin

Just to change the subject completely, I'd quite like to see a "Survival" game mode, where everbody only gets one life per round.

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stickyjeans69

Survival AAS2 good idea

asch

We could actually set this up on our own by simply increasing the respawn timer.

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stickyjeans69

30 minute timer? sounds like a plan to me

loyalguard

Maybe for an MNM one night?

The only thing I don't like about surivial mode, at least for BF2, is that you would see squads breaking up a lot more as players are killed and people filter into new squads...it could throw the teamwork tempo off I think.

I think survival mode would also need a stricter time limit. No more than 15 minutes.

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WNxcausticbeat

Survival would be fun, but only if it was like 12v12 in a 4km2 map, otherwise, it would be too quick.

tHa_KhAn

talk about camp fest in survival mode....there would be little incentive to complete any tasks. A team that starts on bleed would lose, everyone would play as a medic. To not be a medic would be silly despite the offensive advantages.

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