The use of Racial names!

**Dirtboy** · 05-09-2007, 10:53 AM

I have noticed more and more that people...including some TG members using racial slander when refering to the different BF2 factions. There were countless times in where I hear the words "chink", "gook", "chinamen", and "slant eyes" when they are refering to the chinese. Me being half-korean, this is EXTREMELY racist and a complete disregard to the SOP's.

It isn't only refering to the Chinese faction either. The MEC side gets it also.

We need to start governing ourselves when we hear such things.

If you are in a sqaud and you hear...

"I've got four gooks running to the east"

Your first response should be...

"those names are appropriate on this server, please dont use them again."

Last night I was SL'ing and one of my Sq. members said that he was with another TG sqaud earilier that week, and they didnt say anything. What pissed me off the most was the name of the SL was a prominent TG player. I am not gonna say any names, so don't worry. Hearing this made me mad and I almost quit TG. I could'nt believe it. But I slept it off and cooled down.

Once again guys, please lets start governing ourselves.

**Grunt 70** · 05-09-2007, 11:01 AM

Thanks for the reminder Dirt. Agree 100%. There is no place for racism here. To those who think they are just harmless names and that's not how you really feel...well...take a step back and look objectively at your feelings and actions. Who knew Dirt was Asian?. I didn't. And that's a good example of why we need to be vigilant in our approach.

+ rep dirt

**Jeepo_SAS** · 05-09-2007, 11:41 AM

Agreed!Also, i had an issue with a guy in a squad i was in at the weekend, it was his name. I have seen it brought up in the forums before, but i cant remember where. Any female on TG would be OUTRAGED if she saw the name, but as i dont know the protocol for dealing with this type of thing, i could say nothing to him. It even made me uncomfortable.You all know who i am talking about, Brutal.... .... Any suggestions on how to handle this?

Switch · 05-09-2007, 11:44 AM

chinaman is a racial slur?

I just thought it meant people from the region of china.

**Grunt 70** · 05-09-2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepo_SAS

Agreed!Also, i had an issue with a guy in a squad i was in at the weekend, it was his name. I have seen it brought up in the forums before, but i cant remember where. Any female on TG would be OUTRAGED if she saw the name, but as i dont know the protocol for dealing with this type of thing, i could say nothing to him. It even made me uncomfortable.You all know who i am talking about, Brutal.... .... Any suggestions on how to handle this?

I had a similar situation recently. Guy had an offensive name that was a pornography fetish. I noticed it and asked an ADMIN on TS to remove him from the server. Done and done. Our admins will remove them quickly if their name is not up to community standards.

**Grunt 70** · 05-09-2007, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switch

chinaman is a racial slur?

I just thought it meant people from the region of china.

That's the one I'd question too...but, I'm not Asian so of course it wouldn't offend me...If someone somewhere finds it offensive would it just be easier to say enemy soldier??

**Jeepo_SAS** · 05-09-2007, 11:49 AM

thanks grunt, i will take action next time mate!

PanzerHans · 05-09-2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepo_SAS

Any suggestions on how to handle this?

Use the ingame Reporting: functionality

Just type:

Reporting: OffensivePlayernameHere for using a racist playername

We will pick up those reports when we go through the logs and decide on an administrative action.

**Wimpinator** · 05-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Thanks for bringing this up Dirt. I would recommend saying "That's not appropriate" to the player. If it happens again report them to an Admin.

The TG community is built around maturity and there is no room whatsoever for this type of behavior.

IOOB_583 · 05-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Though I do agree that, in real life, racial slurs etc. are derogatory and not acceptable this is after all still a game and to take it personal (to a point) is a little overkill. I will "curb my enthusiasm" in game as I am one to say "gooks in the wire" (straight out of a movie but I can't remember what movie) to my squad though it does not matter which team I am on to say it. Using it as a reference to enemy in general. Racial or sexist names of players, on the other hand, is unnaceptable to me also.

PC is PC. I think a line could be drawn by almost anyone. IE (and it is only an example) Santa - well, if we have any Jewish players here (which I am sure there are) they could take offence to that name.

**Dirtboy** · 05-09-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switch

chinaman is a racial slur?

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOOB_583

PC is PC. I think a line could be drawn by almost anyone. IE (and it is only an example) Santa - well, if we have any Jewish players here (which I am sure there are) they could take offence to that name.

There is HUGE difference between Santa and "gooks"

IOOB_583 · 05-09-2007, 12:22 PM

Though I do understand the difference you speak of the entire insurgent team runs around hollering allah ackbar. Many a times the opposing teams will as something along the lines of where are the stupid americans and why don't they come out and fight.

I used santa as an example for how far the PC could be taken. Still remembering it is a game and everyone takes on their own character in game. No one is directing allah ackbar at people of middleaster decent nor is anyone directing your stated problem words at you. The line can be drawn and, though it hasn't quite yet, I will adhere to it as of right now. But you must remember that it is not just the words you want included in the "no say zone" it will have to apply to all people who play 100% of the time.

**DudeMan** · 05-09-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtboy

Yes

There is HUGE difference between Santa and "gooks"

agreed but chinamen, ok chinese would be better but come on you can forgive someone for saying chinamen in its place in the heat of the moment... gooks slant eys ant the like i can understand and i would not put up with that at all. but chinamen is not really an insult when you think that the chinese are the enemy on that game... if someone calls you personally a chinamen thats offensive because you are party korean, and i can understand that, but when referring to an ingame character that happens to be "made" as chinese... i dont follow...

ChernobylKinsman · 05-09-2007, 12:32 PM

I think it's fairly offensive even if you aren't a member of the appropriat ethnic group. There is PC and then there is simple insensetivity, I don't believe this is a case of it being too PC, I think it's fairly obvious that you shouldn't use racial slurs on principle in this community.

It's a game but the people you play it with are real.

I don't think any harm is meant, but a little thought wouldn't go amiss.

IOOB_583 · 05-09-2007, 12:37 PM

Can "I shot the bastard" be included in this if there is a child of an unwed mother playing? There is no limit to where this could go.

As I have said - I am now cleanin my act 100% of the time but the controls could be bigger than the game.

05-09-2007, 10:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dirtboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Some crap hole FOB in Iraq Age: 24 Posts: 3,218	The use of Racial names! I have noticed more and more that people...including some TG members using racial slander when refering to the different BF2 factions. There were countless times in where I hear the words "chink", "gook", "chinamen", and "slant eyes" when they are refering to the chinese. Me being half-korean, this is EXTREMELY racist and a complete disregard to the SOP's. It isn't only refering to the Chinese faction either. The MEC side gets it also. We need to start governing ourselves when we hear such things. If you are in a sqaud and you hear... "I've got four gooks running to the east" Your first response should be... "those names are appropriate on this server, please dont use them again." Last night I was SL'ing and one of my Sq. members said that he was with another TG sqaud earilier that week, and they didnt say anything. What pissed me off the most was the name of the SL was a prominent TG player. I am not gonna say any names, so don't worry. Hearing this made me mad and I almost quit TG. I could'nt believe it. But I slept it off and cooled down. Once again guys, please lets start governing ourselves. __________________ \|TG-6th\| Dirtboy Need an Admin? \| Want to help TG? \| The 6th Devil's Brigade Jump on it!

05-09-2007, 11:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Grunt 70 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 43 Posts: 2,494	Re: The use of Racial names! Thanks for the reminder Dirt. Agree 100%. There is no place for racism here. To those who think they are just harmless names and that's not how you really feel...well...take a step back and look objectively at your feelings and actions. Who knew Dirt was Asian?. I didn't. And that's a good example of why we need to be vigilant in our approach. + rep dirt __________________ \|TG-22nd\|Grunt "When force is necessary, it must be applied boldly, decisively, and completely. But one must know the limitations of force; one must know when to blend force with maneuver" - Leon Trotsky

05-09-2007, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jeepo_SAS Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fermanagh, Northern Ireland Age: 22 Posts: 1,255	Re: The use of Racial names! Agreed!Also, i had an issue with a guy in a squad i was in at the weekend, it was his name. I have seen it brought up in the forums before, but i cant remember where. Any female on TG would be OUTRAGED if she saw the name, but as i dont know the protocol for dealing with this type of thing, i could say nothing to him. It even made me uncomfortable.You all know who i am talking about, Brutal.... .... Any suggestions on how to handle this? __________________ \|TG-22nd\|Jeepo The Triple R's We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go Always a little further; it may be Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow Across that angry or that glimmering sea... Nominate your teammates for a ribbon Server Rules and SOP's \| Contact an Admin

05-09-2007, 11:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,229	Re: The use of Racial names! chinaman is a racial slur? I just thought it meant people from the region of china. __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

05-09-2007, 11:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jeepo_SAS Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fermanagh, Northern Ireland Age: 22 Posts: 1,255	Re: The use of Racial names! thanks grunt, i will take action next time mate! __________________ \|TG-22nd\|Jeepo The Triple R's We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go Always a little further; it may be Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow Across that angry or that glimmering sea... Nominate your teammates for a ribbon Server Rules and SOP's \| Contact an Admin

05-09-2007, 11:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
Wimpinator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United states, TN Age: 36 Posts: 2,968	Re: The use of Racial names! Thanks for bringing this up Dirt. I would recommend saying "That's not appropriate" to the player. If it happens again report them to an Admin. The TG community is built around maturity and there is no room whatsoever for this type of behavior. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Wimpinator BF2 Rules and SOP's\|Teamspeak information\|TG on IRC Last edited by Wimpinator; 05-09-2007 at 10:17 PM. Reason: spelling

05-09-2007, 11:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
IOOB_583 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Montgomery NY Posts: 124	Re: The use of Racial names! Though I do agree that, in real life, racial slurs etc. are derogatory and not acceptable this is after all still a game and to take it personal (to a point) is a little overkill. I will "curb my enthusiasm" in game as I am one to say "gooks in the wire" (straight out of a movie but I can't remember what movie) to my squad though it does not matter which team I am on to say it. Using it as a reference to enemy in general. Racial or sexist names of players, on the other hand, is unnaceptable to me also. PC is PC. I think a line could be drawn by almost anyone. IE (and it is only an example) Santa - well, if we have any Jewish players here (which I am sure there are) they could take offence to that name. __________________ Don't let the bastards grind you down!

05-09-2007, 12:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
IOOB_583 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Montgomery NY Posts: 124	Re: The use of Racial names! Though I do understand the difference you speak of the entire insurgent team runs around hollering allah ackbar. Many a times the opposing teams will as something along the lines of where are the stupid americans and why don't they come out and fight. I used santa as an example for how far the PC could be taken. Still remembering it is a game and everyone takes on their own character in game. No one is directing allah ackbar at people of middleaster decent nor is anyone directing your stated problem words at you. The line can be drawn and, though it hasn't quite yet, I will adhere to it as of right now. But you must remember that it is not just the words you want included in the "no say zone" it will have to apply to all people who play 100% of the time. __________________ Don't let the bastards grind you down!

05-09-2007, 12:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
ChernobylKinsman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 143	Re: The use of Racial names! I think it's fairly offensive even if you aren't a member of the appropriat ethnic group. There is PC and then there is simple insensetivity, I don't believe this is a case of it being too PC, I think it's fairly obvious that you shouldn't use racial slurs on principle in this community. It's a game but the people you play it with are real. I don't think any harm is meant, but a little thought wouldn't go amiss. __________________ "It's nothing to do with Stalker, really"

05-09-2007, 12:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
IOOB_583 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Montgomery NY Posts: 124	Re: The use of Racial names! Can "I shot the bastard" be included in this if there is a child of an unwed mother playing? There is no limit to where this could go. As I have said - I am now cleanin my act 100% of the time but the controls could be bigger than the game. __________________ Don't let the bastards grind you down!

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