Root

I make it a point not to troll in internet fora. You never know what you might catch. I certainly don't troll in this forum. I think my record over the time I've been a member speaks to my being some measure of an asset to the community. The latest example being that you'd still not be eligable to be nominated for a ribbon if I hadn't made it happen. Perhaps before calling someone a troll you should have a thorough dig through their history and accomplishments?

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Root

Sarcasm ahoy. Bomm, you're right that it's not good, but what do we do when this happens (and it really does) :

We report players. Admins say we don't report them enough.
We report them more. Still nothing.
We report them even more and the higher ups get complaints about players reporting problem players.

Help me out here? This is a sarcasm-free post (which is the norm for me regardless what less-informed people choose to believe). Where is the sweet spot between not reporting enough and reporting so many *genuine* problem players that those making the reports are getting complained about?

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Plan6

Right...

Really the server just needs more active kicking of players breaking the rules. You dont even need to ban them, one kick with some wait time normally does it.

I did see one problem. When I signed on at the beginning of the a map, I saw 3 full locked squads full of veteran TGers on one team. The game might have well been called "Active TG players vs The Masses". It hard to spread the TG style of play when we are all on the same team.

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asch

Folks.... before this thread spirals out of control...

Let's keep this thread on topic, respectful and mature. If it remains that way the thread will remain open for constructive discussion.

I've removed some posts that have gone off topic or are not appropriate for this thread. If you have issues with them being removed, the PM me.

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Root

To be fair you're talking about one round. Having the occasional ass-whooping handed out by a stacked TG team is a great advert for our style of play. When you do that though, it's ESSENTIAL that the next thing you do is mix the squads / teams up so that other players can learn HOW said whooping was delivered so effectively. Without the education that comes after, we don't achieve anything. This applies to any title TG hosts, not just PR.

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Dirtboy

What is everyone elses thoughts on how we can fix this?

Anyone like my idea?

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Atomic Dog

I think PRM deserves a dedicated GO and Admin team seperate from the other BF titles. It's definitely a unique game and because of its mechanics, popularity, and that its a great fit for TG it deserves that kind of dedicated team.

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Trooper

double the admin coverage and is it possible to have temp admins like CSS. Where they can only kick or do limited admin stuff. Hand that out to those who play and are responceible enough to handle it. Another way to fix the password nights is to only hand it out to those on TS, would help wiht getting more people to be on that to.

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Ferris Bueller

It's also not just TG stacking. I've played rounds of PR where all but one or two of the TG member were on one side and got rocked by non-tag wearing players. Yes, we strive to be the best, but that doesnt mean we're the most skilled players on the internet. Besides, stacking is a whole secondary issue.

The big problem is that in PR specifically, there is a big problem reporting people. Sometimes you can catch a name, or if something like a UCB camp is going on, you can send a "spy" in from the team doing the bad thing and take screens and make reports. But take my situation from today: I caught LOTS of people bunnyhopping to avoid my sniper rifle, but they were at long range. I cant see names at that range (nor can anyone else) and by the time I could have dispatched someone trustworthy like Root over to take some names for me, I had either killed them or they had run out of my sightline. Also, with the people teabagging, deathcam doesnt show names, just the enemy soldier crouching over your face repeatedly. So really, the only way to catch people in that circumstance is if someone offers up that they did it.

PR is notoriously hard to control and we do a fair job at it. If you think TG is bad, try playing on some of the other PR servers where apparently there are no rules. Everyone needs to step up doing their job and being a little more observant, and I think the admins would be wise to use the pause feature more often if a lot of infractions are going on so that they can be reported and cleared out all at once. Sure, it might be a 3-4 minute delay in the game, but I seriously doubt anyone would mind if the smacktards just disappeared afterward and we had a much better time playing.

To reflect on some of the other posts, I think dirtboy has a great idea. It wouldnt be hard for the various members and IHS's to compile a large list of people who deserve to have the password, and then we could distribute it appropriately. However, what do you do if someone brings in a guest and the guest is a smacktard? Do you punish that person for bringing an idiot in? It's a tough call. However, I think trooper has a very credible idea with handing out the password in TS. That way you can make sure that you know who the people are who get it.

As far as the increased admin population goes, I agree that a larger admin presence is needed. I can understand that there was a time when we didnt need such a large admin team for the BFx titles because we didnt have nearly the population or number of servers or activity that we have now. But seeing as we have 4 full time servers that tend to stay full more hours of the day than not, the limited presence that we have is not seeming to cut it. Dont get me wrong, our admins do a hell of a job! I'm saying that there are just more smacktards than admins and it's tough to manage all places at once. I think simply dividing the BF2 and 2142 admin teams and then picking up a few new faces to support each title would help out tenfold. I know that theres quite a few BFx admins who dont know how to run the PR server stuff cause they primarily deal with 2142, and likewise with PR admins not knowing how to deal with 2142 issues. The bottom line is that the BF2 and 2142 communities have each grown large enough to not just merit, but NEED their own individual admin teams who deal with their own flavor of game.

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Plan6

The best way to handle this is to go find out how caused the problems, not gripe at the admins.

If you know a rule was broken, or saw something questionable, hop on BR, break out a pad of paper and ready the screen shot feature on FRAPS. Compile your results into a nice PM to the admins and watch the bans be handed out.

If we are really all about teamwork, then lets work on making things better.

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asch

It's apparent that the PW nights for PR are not working as well as they had in the past pre-PR. This might be an interesting option to explore.

Trooper, please PM me where you've gathered these facts from.

Folks... the admin team realizes that we're short on coverage for the PR server. I don't believe anyone has said it's working perfectly. But we do ask for you patience and cooperation in trying to make the server a better place.

This is a great example of how not to make the server a better place.

See the above comments about making the server a better place. I would also like you to PM me on these facts you've just laid out.

I know I was on teamspeak all throughout the password event this Sunday, yet there was not one report over teamspeak and I have not received any PMs.

I'm not claiming that there weren't issues on the server or that it wouldn't have been nice to have more coverage on Saturday night, but there is no all-seeing-eye admin tool.

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Tarthkin

Is it worth thinking about reducing the size of the server?
Less ppl makes it easier to control. One of the things I like about the CS:S server is that there are at least 5 regulars on at any given time who are able to lead the way and set an example for other potentialy new players on the server. With squads being so segragated from other squads its hard to lead by example unless the commander is taking that role. The only way to really regulate behavior has to be from a SL or Commander position. It is up to those wearing the TG tag to try to enforce rules on their own team and id encourage anyone wearing a TG tag to take the initative at the begining of maps to start up squads, to lead by example.

I like Dirtboy's ideas, they cirtanly add much more control over everything. Maybe we can try something like this for a bit and give ppl a chance to see and understand how this mod is supposed to be played

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Trooper

i shouldnt have to pm you the facts, every post about how the PR server is going down hill should point that out. Everytime some one posts about how there is not enough coverage or enough being done, an admin gets on and says "its coverd and its all fine, you members should do more". Why waist time reporting things when it doesnt get done?

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Plan6

I think the fact that there were no reports at all and now there is this **** storm about PW nights shows this might be a two sided issue. How would an Admin know anything was wrong without a report of some sort?

I, for one, have never seen any of my reports ignored.

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