gerardnm

Disagree....an anti armour squad can force the US armour into the wood by blowing the bridge. it can then easily be taken out by LAT HAT fire, even if it breaks through its attacking the estate where there are AT emplacements. I would say this is classic behind the lines play

Bamboo

Couple of things.

1st up, don't know if you guys have played on other servers latly, but they suck compared to TG. I feel like I am back in vinilla, with a constant stream of kick votes and map votes. I just don't play on other servers any more.

Next up, the guy above mentioned something about lowering the server size. At 1st I didn't like the idea, but thinking about it, it would mean most of the people in the server would probably be supporting members, making for a better game during those password nights.

Also, I wonder if people are just blowing a few random accidents out of perportion. For instance last night during the password event on Al Basra near industry flag, I was killed by and APC, so when I respawned I went Insergant RPG, and headed back. I got close, could still hear the APC around the corner, took out the RPG, spun around the corner and smack into 2 U.S. guys, and when I fired at the APC, the US guys shoot me, sending my RPG right into the wall, blowing me and one other guy up. I know the other guy was yelling on VOIP about noob this and ban him that, but it was not a purposeful thing.
How many of these other things we are talking about are the same thing?
Of course tea-bagging is just plain stupid and obvious though.
I will also say that about once a night I slip and cuss on comms. I don't mean to, but after playing pretty much every day for years, I am a bit brain washed into pressing the comm button every time I speak. I do it when my wife comes into the room to talk, and I do it when I answer the phone sometimes. (of course I feel pretty dumb afterwards.) I had 1StMIP E-Male remind me to watch my language one night, and of course I didn't do it again, but should I be kicked for something that is truly not on purpose. I can understand the if it is a kid that gets on and thinks it is the best way to impress his squad by letting them roll smoothly off his lips.
Anyway, point is, things are still really good compared to other servers, and I still plan on sticking around and having fun on the best PR server there is. Just trying to be the voice of reason here, no need to flame.

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Bamboo, you are correct you should not be banned for the random slip up of a cuss word. However, repeated violations would point to someone who is unable to conform to the rules or control their mouth in a respectful manner. We all slip up at times and no one is perfect. I am sure the person that was taken out with the RPG was not calling you a noob as one has to expect RPG fire while in close proximity to an APC or other vehicle. Again it is not like you did this with the intention of killing infantry, huge difference in that.

You are correct in your assesment of this being the best server out there!

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gerardnm

Good post........gotta say thoough when that happens to me and I know i m gonna die I'll fire the LAT and pray too.....and if the shoe was on the other foot so would the guy who was complaining (else he never plays insurgent cause he switches team).

What does the guy want a free kill?.......insurgents are the only class that run around with the LAT out cause the have no "real" self protection weapon.

Tell the guy to be quiet and stop complaining.....most people are pretty good on the server and take it when they die...others take it personally when u kill them.

BTW if you were MEC of China I may have been for a kick.......

|TG-X|Bootytrap

Keep this in mind fellas.....for all the little problems you might be having....you are running the best PR server out ther HANDS DOWN. No competition. From an outsiders point, it is better to play in your server with the occasional smacktard, than play in someone elses server with an smacktard frequency of 90%.

Just launch many more WARNINGS in BF2CC....that gets peoples attention. You don't even have to have a name, just say "DO NOT CAMP RP'S, OR YOU WILL BE KICKED." Every clan or community has at least one guy who LOVES to use the WARN FEATURE in BF2CC .....find him and set him loose!!!

Thank you for running the best PR server on the internet!!!

Morganan

Did you even read my post?, I said when the US is fighting for the last flag before their UCB on Steel Thunder and they are mining the road right outside of the Chinese main.
Allow me to clarify from an exact situation that happened this past week..

I was CHINESE, our team held supply depot, power station, dam outpost, bridge checkpoint, and had greyed out village when my tank was destroyed. I respawned in the Chinese main and brought the tank up alone with the idea being I would meet my partner in the tank when I got to bridge checkpoint, which was near our RP. That way he could help defend a flag until I brought the armor forward to minimize the manpower "out of action". I spawned, grabbed my crewmen kit and hopped in a tank to bring it forward. I saw enemy mines on the road right outside of base, with an American Humvee parked about 60 meters to the SE of the road. Since I saw more then 2 mines I could assume either
A) there was more then 1 engineer out there
b) there was 1 engineer who was resupplying off the Humvee, also I had to be wary of an enemy HAT of course.

So I blasted the humvee then switched back to the driver position and bypassed the mines. I happened to notice the enemy laying in the grass and promptly ran him over with my tank treads. I got no teamkill notification when I ran the guy over, so he obviously was an enemy. How exactly was he helping his team way out there while the last flag before the UCB is being contested? He had transport before I blasted it, so he easily could have moved back to at worst mine/blow the bridges and possibly mine the water crossings. Any of those things would have been completely legit in my eyes, as that is where you interdict enemy forces moving to the point of contact in the situation I described, not 50 meters outside their base....

That's not smart play, that's not real teamwork, that's someone wanting to mine the enemy UCB but doing it in a way that's not against the rules. Since we capped out all the flags that map, I wonder if that players teammates felt that he was helping them out as we legitimately killed the entire US team as they spawned while we were turning their UCB into the last flag capture in a rout?

Atomic Dog

I agree that we do run the best server in comparison. This is due to the fact that at TG we have always enforced our playstyle on our servers. What some of us who have been with TG for some time are feeling right now is that our standards have lowered for quantity of players over quality and that the level of play we all came here for to begin with is slowly degrading and not being enforced as much as it probably should be.

I understand that the admins have a very tough and crucial role within the community...however, accountability has to go somewhere and I have a hard time putting it at the feet of the community at large.

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Plan6

How do you have a hard time when no one reported anything last night? I mean, how do they know who to ban, hey dont have a server overview option.

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Atomic Dog

I'm having a hard time with the idea that the issues being discussed are somehow to be the fault of the community at large. I said before, I have no problem doing my part, but I can only think of 2 or 3 of the admin staff that actually plays PRM on any consistent level. This is the only title that TG carries that has this problem to the severity that it has upset a good portion of the community's player base...as far as I know.

In CoD, CS:S, 2142, PoE there seems to be a very consistent level of admin coverage.

Personally, I gave up on playing PRM a couple months ago. I only pop in periodically to play with a few people I know. I've really got my bar set high for .6 and I hope some of the changes help make the server a little more controllable. But also, I don't think it's ever been the game mechanics that determine how we play on TG.

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ouija

TG Battlefield is currently the lowest common denominator. It doesnt have to be or need to be.

1. We need a more engaged administration team. Having to come off line to submit a report for administrative action is absurd. You say, "I havent seen any reports." You aren't going to...its ridiculous. If you have the admin title, do your job, show up in the game you administrate. If you dont play the game anymore, release the title and let someone else do it. I had been an admin in CS:S for quite some time, and once I became inactive, I released the title, by doing so I informed my GO that he needed a replacement as I wouldnt be there to cover the game.

2. Half the people in this thread need to re-read the SOPs on rules of conduct on our servers. There are no "gray" areas. You either abide by the rules, or you dont. If you dont...why are you on the server? Because we dont kick for bad behaviour?

3. Dirtboy's idea has merit. HOWEVER, if item #1 was taken care of, there would be no need.

To the admin team. Please understand, All I am saying is "do your job." If you are not active on the servers, inform your GO or the site administration so they can replace you with active people.

The title "ADMIN" does not in anyway reflect on your personality or ability...you are a volunteer, nothing more. It doesnt get you into elite bars, or make you more successful with women. ;p

Bommando posted a single line "A voice of reason." In response to someone stating that their reports are never ignored. Why would you stoke the fires? You can easily see people are upset with the inaction of the admin team, which you are clearly a part of. Your post shows a great deal of the attitude many are complaining about...indifference to the issue.

I dont know you Bommando, you may be one of the most active, best admins on the team...however, your flash comment leads me to believe you could be part of the problem. I would love some constructive input from you, perhaps it could help difuse some of this issue. Asch is doing a great job of mediating this debate, but he is only one of the said 23 admins...where are these people?

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Not all Battlefield admins are BF2 PRM admins. You must keep that in mind. The Battlefield admin team is split up between BF2 PoE2, BF2 PRM, and BF2142. We do need more PRM admins, and this is something being discussed.

Another thing to keep in mind is that this is NOT Counter-Strike. We're not dealing with 14-16 people, we're dealing with 64. Things become considerably more difficult with that many people. Add in to that the fact that its VERY difficult to identify an individual player due to "features" of the mod.

In the Battlefield series we need more help from players when it comes to reporting problems than we do in games like Counter-Strike. It's a different animal and it has different administrative complexities. These two games are NOT equal in administrative responsibilities OR tools. Coming to this debate prepared with this VERY relevant information is rather important.

No one said that you had to exit the game to report an individual. As already suggested you COULD just jot down the date/time and PM an admin afterwards so they can look at the Battlerecorder files. You could idle on TeamSpeak while you're playing (for most people this works fine) and let an admin know when there's an issue. You could even watch people on your own team and if you see people acting like idiots, jot down their names and PM an admin after you exit the game.

I am addressing this issue with the BF2 PRM admin team and we're working towards a solution that considers all the complexities involved with both the size of the game and the restrictions of the mod.

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mingmong

Out of curiosity, how are admins finding the Reporting system? Are they banning a lot more people post-incident with it?

Apophis

I can't speak for all the admins, but I do know it has helped in some instances and hurt in others. In the forums, we ask that people take player issues directly to the admins via PM. This keeps these types of reports private between the players doing the reporting and the admins themselves.

The reporting system, however, does not provide that level of discretion. I'd like to find a solution that keeps the reports out of public chat, but that may or may not be possible.

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Trooper

is it possible to creat a new chat channel within PR to send chat only to those admins on BF2CC? That might be something that the devs could look at or would know.

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SloppyJoe

IMO, saying that the TG Server is in good health because the other PR servers are in complete shambles is a total and utter logical fallacy.

This is still about standards. If Canada were to have 10 nuclear power plant meltdowns this year and the U.S. only 2, I wouldn't say, well, no problems, we're doing much better than Canada!

Too look at other servers to see how the TG server stands is nice to know and maybe even flattering, but it should not be used as a gauge or benchmark to somehow justify the poor quality of play on the TG server that does happen, and further use that comparison to invalidate complaints.

I don't think we should be setting our levels by what other servers are doing. We should be setting our levels by TG ideals. We should then be comparing the server by how well the quality of players match those ideals for a benchmark, not other servers.

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