HellRazor61

Well put Drizzid! As long as one realizes that this is not a public server and their are rules in place to make the gameplay much more enjoyable, then to ensure that they learn those rules and follow them, then by all means I believe that person has every right to wear the tag. I know in my case I played on TG servers for several months before I started wearing it. Mainly I just didnt feel that I had a full understanding of the rules and regs. So I would say that you Drizzid sound as tho you are trying to hold up the TG standard and I believe that you should wear the TG tag if you so choose.

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millipede777

I figured it would be acceptable to wear the tag since I haven't played on any non-TG server in months, but I asked an admin anyways. TG is the best it gets, why would I want to wear any other tag or play anywhere else?

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ed_chiang11

As a wrap up, thewords are well said and non-offending Nemsis, couldnt be more accurate. TG tag doesnt neccessary come with skills, (eg. Dark Viper is arguablly the best pilot and he doesnt wear the tag, not saying that he is not a teamplayer though) If you are a TG member you should not only be a teamplayer but also make sure you are aware of non-TG players' need. Sometimes we should join a squad with no TG members and help them out, instead of locking the TG squad and leave a squad when you are surrounded by non-TG members. By help out does not neccesary mean squad leading, but give them advices too.

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Jusb

Bump. This should be a sticky. I also think we need to start cracking down on guys who wear a TG tag and dont play the TG way. There are a lot of people who dont know/obey the rules and are wearing the tags. If you wear the tag there should be a stiffer penalty when you break a rule (s).

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Trooper

yah i agree with you totally....a commitee that picks....but i dont think this would ever happen just for the fact we are a community and want poeple to make their own desicions about the tag......its really sad when i see people who know nothing about this place or like you said know the rules and still dick around and dont play our way....

i know some think if they add the TG tag it makes them better....just something we who know the rules need to watch and help bring it back...



what if we locked the servers all the time and you had to register at the forums before you could get the password for it

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that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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Wulfyn

This is an unwritten rule that is already in place by the admins. Anyone wearing a TG tag, for example, is expected to know the rules, so they won't be warned, they'll be kicked. Additionally any penalty for breaking rules is typically one level above that of a non-tag wearer. So a 1 week ban would be a 2 week ban.


Wearing tags is about representing the community and what we stand for. You get many perks in being viewed as 'above the chaff' of others in that youhave acknowledged that you have not only read the rules but agree to abide by them both in fact and in principle. It's about saying that you understand the intent behind the rules and will not try to exploit loopholes.


It's great to see people wearing the tags, as long as they understand what it means as well as most of you guys posting here understand it.

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Trooper

yep and i agree with you completely...like jusb said can we get his original post stickied so others can just read this along with the SOPs

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that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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schemer

All the points here are great.. but I just want to interject that my understanding of the community is one of the goals is to keep it from becoming "elitist" and for to keep from many "cliques" forming. Some of the language here and on the boards lately suggest this attitude is developing. There are going to be personality conflicts and natural formations of folks who like to play with eachother and vice versa - its important not to create committees to decide who's worthy and who we would "allow" in to the circle - I think that's an important part of TG too.

TG, to me is about mature, team oriented and non-exploitive, fun gameplay, without a lot of the "elitist" attitudes that "clans" often come with, and without a small clique of elitists who decide what is honorable and what isn't. When it starts to go there, to me, the teamplay won't be enough to keep me around... The down to earth open-ness and air of "competitive friendliness" is just as important.

I think its also important to remember the "fun" part.. and that being mature, we can all take the gaming seriously to a point, but still not take it to the point where it ceases to be enjoyable and to the point where everything has to be dress right dress, and god forbid you go 10 to the front and 5 to the rear "they'll be no laughing in my formation, soldier". I think sometimes guys need to step back and remember, it's still just a game. but also remember balance - too much joking around can ruin it for some of the guys who want to take it more serious - but too much seriousness can ruin it for the guys who like to joke around a little. I think, the beauty of TG is there is room for all, as long as you follow the basic guidelines of teamplay first, non-explotive immature "win through exploits" tactics (notice I didn't say "win by any means, because this is war, and war is hell - so long as you don't cheat - or break established rules).

This long winded all said, the only thing I would add is we probably should document more carefully some of the unwritten rules. For instance, when the map is not filled much, using choppers and armor sometimes is frowned on.. I think we need to have a sticky of these "honor code suggestions" that maybe are not documented formal "rules"?

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Trooper

i dont think any of us would disagree one bit...but when i started to wear the tag i waited almost 4 weeks to put it on even after i was an SM i dint put the tag on....we just want that tag to mean what it was originally supposed to mean....good post Schemer

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that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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Jusb

I dont think registering for the forums and passwording the server is necessary though i would say players who read the forums would be better off.

I was just simply saying that people who wear TG tags and break the rules should be punished more severely than the random pubby who lands on our server and breaks the rules.

Wulfyn answered my question by saying admins do kick and ban TG tag wearers who dont play the TG way so thats enough for me. Admins policing the servers is enough and they seem to be aware of the problem.

I do think we should sticky this though cause it gets buried and only gets bumped when theres a problem.

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Steel_Penguin

Well put. Especially the part about the honor code. As for balance between joking and seriousness, i generally take my cue from the SL. If they are serious i'll be serious, if they want to joke around, as long as they aren't messing up the game, i'll joke around.

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BaneII

Good point, Schemer. I play BF2 to relax. I've done the military thing and lord knows I dont play this game to recreate that. Anyone who regulary runs in a squad of mine knows how laid back I am (almost horizontal). But the fact that we can smoke and joke and still be quite effective is what makes playing with a community worthwhile. I consider myself just one "flavor" of squad leader. Some like it, some dont. But having multiple "flavors" makes TG attractive to different players as we play under the rules.

Trooper

see and doing that is what i think TG is all about haveing fun doing something fun....how you lead is not what we are worried about its the ones who just join throw on the TG tag and dont care about how much hard work actually goes into this place.....the ones of us who do know and care need to help keep things that way if you see someone with that tag warn them and then get an admin....

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Mateo

That's not one of the goals behind Tactical Gamer.

Our goals are, at their face, elitist: we cater to mature, team oriented gamers, who want a near-sim environment. That's Apophis' stated goals in the primer.

That means, in large part, we set ourselves apart from the masses.

That said, we have a quite open approach: you don't need to subscribe, you don't need to fill out an application, you don't have to be sponored: just show up, read, play by the rules, and participate.

Members of existing clans can come in and play. Members from our sister and brother sites can drop in whenever they like. You can join an inhouse team, or ride with any posse you can find.

That seems open to me.

We are a self policing community, which means that the admins, myswelf included, are responsible for maintaining the standards outlined in the terms of usage, and in each of the games SOPs. We are the gatekeepers, we are the committee.

We are also fiercely protective of this place. We won't allow anyone to come in and try to change what we do to suit their own purposes, we won't allow degradation of the standards to be more inclusive. Tactical Gamer is not for everyone, nor will it ever be.

Personality conflicts are natural, but often players that let that bleed over into something more probably are too immature to be here anyway. Personality conflicts can be handled in an adult manner.

Within our community, we are quite open, I think. We also have a great community: I know that I can boot up any game here, and get help, a team to play with, and trust the players that I am playing with.

If that's not enough to keep you around, then I have no idea what you are looking for.

There is room for both types, and yes it is a balance.

Keep in mind, however, that this is a SIM environment overall, and we always look for ways to increase the realism of the games we play.

Does that mean we drum fun out of the games? I don't think so. I recall when I first joined the 42nd, I thought that Leejo and StrikeFear were nuts for trying to shoehorn real-life tactics into BF2. I thought it took the fun out of it.

Now, I find that the level of trust and comraderie that those tactics and drills engender actually INCREASES my enjoyment of the game. Nothing like executing a plan and not having to worry if your teammate has your back.

There have long been calls for this. I don't think it is going to happen. You cannot cover every ingame contingency....and even then, there will be grey areas that will cause needless thread wars.

That said, as far as tags are concerned, the unwritten rule, but expressed on more than one occassion, is that tag wearers are held to a higher standard.

Taking the tag means you have read, understood, and are prepared to put into action, the rules and the spirt of those rules that Tactical Gamer stands for.

Admins in any game here will strip the tags from anyone that acts contrary to them, and while I can't speak for the BF2 admin team, probably kick/ban them as well.

The only other unwritten rule is: you don't mess with Apophis.

Trooper

or luna i wouldnt piss her off either......and i agree with mateo....i dont bump this thread for those who know the rules and follow them i do it so the new comers that are here everyday can see and read why you should think about the TG tag when ever you/i/we wear it

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