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Discussion: Battlefield 2 / Battlefield 2 - Ranked Vanilla - Votekick Bombers - Anyone who agrees, sign. They've gotten to a point of absurdity, and the bomber pilots
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10-27-2005, 12:44 AM #1
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Votekick Bombers (The vehicle)
Anyone who agrees, sign. They've gotten to a point of absurdity, and the bomber pilots will only get better. If Dice/EA won't do anything about them, perhaps something can be done about them in this community.
/signLast edited by FPS_Douglas; 10-27-2005 at 02:10 AM.
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10-27-2005, 12:45 AM #2
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Re: Votekick Bombers
"Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead
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10-27-2005, 01:11 AM #3
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Re: Votekick Bombers
A guy with a pistol has a greater chance to damage a jet/helitank than AA. AA should be an effective deterrent vs air assets, not free and easy kills.
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10-27-2005, 01:20 AM #4
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You can have that opinion on the delivery, that's fine. It's the issue that I'm concerned about, not some dood's opinion about the delivery. It cannot reasonably be argued that it's not an imbalance.
I've seen the best fighter pilots on the server in action, and they are amazing, they do get some kills vs. good bomber pilots, but not before that good pilot has the most kills on the server. This = huge imbalance. The majority of the community here plays on the ground and IS frustrated often about this. Shouldn't the community's be what influences the server rules and policies? Let's see how many people sign, or at least think the spawn time should be HUGE for bombers.
The reality the situation is, however, that there is rarely great fighter pilots on both teams. This = massive frustration. So people, if you think the bombers are an imbalance, /sign... at least for a much longer spawn time for them.
You solution is not better. I did not buy a flight simm, and will not be forced to play that role because of an inherent imbalance in the game.
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10-27-2005, 01:39 AM #5
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I actually cancelled my sub to TG for this reason tonight, coupled with the choppers.
Just isn't fun anymore, ya I'm a decent pilot and can rack up 200+ point rounds in the bomber and 100+ easily in the fighters, but its too easy. I get on the ground and it happens to me, non-stop, every level that has a jet or a helo. You consistently see the SAME people EVERY night in the choppers getting MASSIVE amount of kills, while this may be partly because they are decent pilots, it still points to air being overpowered, and it gets old very quick.
This has been brewing a while for me, and with being camped at the UCB tonight for a whole hour on oman by an enemy jet, the latest nade launcher fests, and the whole i can't live for 1 min on dalian plant without getting shot by a chopper thing, sorta pushed my limits.
TG is a good place, BF2 is the problem, hopefully ghost recon 3 will be good and I'll cya guys then, until then farewell.
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10-27-2005, 01:45 AM #6
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I get frustrated by bombers too...however..votekicking a bomber pilot because he is too good is wrong. What's next? Votekicking Jusb because his sniper kills are too high? Dangerous precedent!
I would also like to add that I think this violates some TG rules. I would actually apply the "respect other members" rules. At the very least it violates the spirit of TG. Lets find another solution."Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead
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10-27-2005, 01:56 AM #7
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LOL Bombando, you criticized my delivery.....
I'm not talking about kicking bomber pilots. If you can find a point in this thread where I takled about kicking pilots, then I agree, that is silly. What I'm talking about is either taking bombers out entirely, or increasing thier spawn time by a huge margin.
This isn't a shot against players, pilots or the TG community. I honestly believe that THE GAMING EXPERIENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY IS LESSENED BECAUSE OF BOMBERS. I put that in caps so you will get my point.
Honestly, it really doesn't matter to me what you think about people signing this. You're criticizing my delivery, putting words in my mouth and calling what I am doing "whining about air power". I know caps are annoying and I don't want to use them again, so I want you to really read what I am about to write. This was a post for the community to vote on whether to do something about an imbalance. It's about what the community wants. So, voice your opinion on the subject, period. If you want to say I'm whining or whatever, say it in a PM. This thread is meant to get the opinion of the community as a whole. Let's hear from the good fighter pilots too. When you play against a very good bomber pilot, be honest, is he often still the highest scorer on the server. How many of you develped this skill just to offset an imbalance?
Thanks my 34 cents
PS. Is Jusb in the top 3 every round? Not even close. Not a shot against Jusb, he's a good sniper, but anything else, except a good bomber pilot in BF2, can be countered effectively.
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10-27-2005, 01:58 AM #8
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Kicking people for playing a certain position=lamest solution ever.
I know a lot of regulars don't like the bomber imbalance but i doubt that if you try to kick them for that reason you will get very many votes from regulars. Kick votes rarely pass anyway and kicking someone for a stupid reason like that is just as absurd as the imbalance itself.I agree with Pickle wholeheartedly that this violates both the rules and the spirit of TG and I vote this thread be shut down._____________________
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10-27-2005, 02:00 AM #9
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Re: Votekick Bombers
Read more carefully.
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10-27-2005, 02:02 AM #10
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It seems to me that he started posting before you submitted your post.
Originally Posted by FPS_Douglas
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10-27-2005, 02:03 AM #11
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Whoops, sorry
I may have been more vague than I thought. When I say bombers, I mean the aircraft itself, not the pilots of the aircraft. Sorry for the confusion, I just assumed everyone made that assumption. :S
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10-27-2005, 02:06 AM #12
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Douglas - your thread title is "Votekick Bombers". That's why Bommando thinks you're talking about votekicking bombers.
When VMFA-531 fighter pilots are on the opposite team, they are able to almost entirely shut down the bomber. He's not able to operate effectively.
So yeah, I'd say it's an issue with not having good air cover."You live and learn. Or you don't live long."
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10-27-2005, 02:06 AM #13
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I'm with Penguin, Pickle....heck, the entire 2nd. Kicking people is a dangerous precedent, not where we want to go.
I know that's not what you said; what you said was "Votekick Bombers." I read that as a reference to the people...who ever heard of votekicking a vehicle?
Hey, someone votekick that boat....it's floating too much!
but seriously...the tacticalmod is in the works, and feedback looks like it's gonna rule when it's deployed in force. the tacticalmod addresses these exact concerns.
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10-27-2005, 02:09 AM #14
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That's ironic since I posted the last post before Bomb's was submitted.
I do not want a pissing contest, I can not piss very far. (It's not a weak muscle, it's just that I'm Irish and I don't quite have the "reach") I bring this up again because the bomber pilots are getting better. There is still (hopefull) another month or two till they master true dive bombing, but they have become super elusive. I rarely ever see the best pilots use flares anymore, they have gotten that good.
To me, this is a serious issue, and I LOVE playin on this server. I am making an effort to make it much more enjoyable for me, and the rest of the majority of the community. Trust me, this situation will only get worse. So I hope this isn't interpetted as a bitch, rather an attempt to fix a problem.
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10-27-2005, 02:11 AM #15
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I disagree, Strikefear. The best bomber pilots do die a few times to the best fighter pilots, but they still rack up the most kills on the server... not to mention completely disrupting the flow of battle on the ground.
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