Re: a Marine on weapons

**Strag** · 11-16-2005, 03:01 PM

If you go over to AR15.com, you can read very similar reports from guys who are currently over there or who have been there. The Marine Corps also polled a large number of Marines and found about the same thing. I hope the problem systems are improved or replaced.

**Kilrogg** · 11-16-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by .

They use handheld GPS units for navigation and Google earth for overhead views of our positions.

Nerf Google

**HellRazor61** · 11-16-2005, 04:58 PM

For those who are unsure of the US future Assault Rifle here is a picture of it!

Now if you ask me it may look cool but imagine having to climb thru a window or some small area with the bulky thing!!

**Barracuda_Magoo** · 11-16-2005, 05:03 PM

The only time my 16 ever jammed was on the range in Kuwait, but I didn't get many other opportunities to use it. However, our battalion commander's convoy was attacked once and his detail had a lot of malfunctions, so they started cracking down on everyone else. I'm not so sure about their view on the SAW though. I don't think my anyone in my unit ever had any trouble with theirs. In contrast, there were a few bad incidents with 50 cals *coughlostatesticlecough*. Maybe Hellrazor can shed some more light on the SAW issue. They didn't mention the Mk-19 at all.

As for IED's, the article is right on. Nine times out of ten you're not going to see it until it goes off. Not only do they make them big, but (like the article said) they use shaped charges and napalm. I even saw one that the disposal guys that found it claimed had a WP round.

**HellRazor61** · 11-16-2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Barracuda_Magoo

The only time my 16 ever jammed was on the range in Kuwait, but I didn't get many other opportunities to use it. However, our battalion commander's convoy was attacked once and his detail had a lot of malfunctions, so they started cracking down on everyone else. I'm not so sure about their view on the SAW though. I don't think my anyone in my unit ever had any trouble with theirs. In contrast, there were a few bad incidents with 50 cals *coughlostatesticlecough*. Maybe Hellrazor can shed some more light on the SAW issue. They didn't mention the Mk-19 at all.

As for IED's, the article is right on. Nine times out of ten you're not going to see it until it goes off. Not only do they make them big, but (like the article said) they use shaped charges and napalm. I even saw one that the disposal guys that found it claimed had a WP round.

As far as the M249 (Squad automatic weapon) one of my close friends was the Saw gunner in my squad. Biggest problem we had with it was failure to belt feed due to the amount of dust. As far as a saw against enemy when firing properly on troops in open ground the saw will turn them into hamburger quick! Their is no cone of fire and no spray and pray what I mean by that is the saw is literally every bit as accurate as a rifle so much so that you have to hit targets at 800m to qualify with it(Only 300m with M16/M4). Didnt have much experience with the Mk-19 but the Browning M2(.50BMG) will actually nearly obliterate an aggressor. Although, firing a M2 at people is expressly prohibited by the Geneva convention. Large calibur weapons such as these are intended for equipment only. However, this can be adapted to allow soldiers to say that they were aiming for the aggressor's belt buckle(belt buckle is equipment).
Accounts have stated that soldiers have been killed by 50cal fire and no bullet actually touched their body. The bullet generates so much force in the air that if it were to pass within 6 to 8 inches of your head it very likely will break your neck.

**Barracuda_Magoo** · 11-16-2005, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by HellRazor61

Accounts have stated that soldiers have been killed by 50cal fire and no bullet actually touched their body. The bullet generates so much force in the air that if it were to pass within 6 to 8 inches of your head it very likely will break your neck.

My buddies that went through PMI and qualified on the 50 always claimed that a near miss would still take your arm off, and I'm inclined to believe it. In one case we got in a big shoot out with some of Al Sadr's boys and I almost felt sorry for them. We had at least ten 50's and they were trying to hide in some mud huts, and we knew that 50 was going to go through the wall, through them, through the back wall, and then through several more houses. Even when they'd hide behind a berm, you could just through the top of it. Oh well, **** 'em.

**HellRazor61** · 11-16-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Barracuda_Magoo

My buddies that went through PMI and qualified on the 50 always claimed that a near miss would still take your arm off, and I'm inclined to believe it. In one case we got in a big shoot out with some of Al Sadr's boys and I almost felt sorry for them. We had at least ten 50's and they were trying to hide in some mud huts, and we knew that 50 was going to go through the wall, through them, through the back wall, and then through several more houses. Even when they'd hide behind a berm, you could just through the top of it. Oh well, **** 'em.

That makes me think of one of our mounted patrols I was riding gunner in a delta HMMWV(High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) aka Hummer/Humvee. For lamens the HMMWV in BF2 is a Delta HMMWV. Anyways, we were on mounted patrol and I was riding gunner when we came across a technical(truck mounted MG)its was a small pickup with a PKM in the back. Immediately I opened up with the 50 on it, when this idiot jumped down in the bed thinking he was gonna be protected from the 50cal fire!! I was just thinking damn what a moron, why not just surrender? Anyways, as we sped by chasing the other guys I remember looking down inside the bed and what I saw looked somewhat like what a deer looks like when struck by a semi! Yeah I nearly tossed my cookies!

**Nikolas** · 11-16-2005, 06:06 PM

M16's have been jamming like that since their introduction in Vietnam.

**Lt.Snow** · 11-16-2005, 08:09 PM

I wonder how the XM8 project gun would stand up to desert conditions. It looks like a very nice gun, you can even customize it to your liking, sniper, CQB,ect.

**Ranger6** · 11-16-2005, 08:33 PM

I am currently a military contractor i.e. Personel Sec Detail Designated Marksman and have 12 years in the 75th carrying some version of the M-16/M-4. The trick in the desert is no lube and daily cleaning. I also carry the HK Tactical 45cal pistol, best pistol I ever owned 99.9% reliable and I agree a torso hit will put most guys on there ass. Just my 2 cents.
Hooah

**JMJ** · 11-17-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by kin3

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7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put them down with a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45s are being re-issued en masse.

Best pistol round period, and the only round I carry. Nothing better than a 1911.

**HellRazor61** · 11-17-2005, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ranger6

I am currently a military contractor i.e. Personel Sec Detail Designated Marksman and have 12 years in the 75th carrying some version of the M-16/M-4. The trick in the desert is no lube and daily cleaning. I also carry the HK Tactical 45cal pistol, best pistol I ever owned 99.9% reliable and I agree a torso hit will put most guys on there ass. Just my 2 cents.
Hooah

Oh yeah I made that mistake early on using CLP(rifle lube) on my weapon and it ended up looking like it was made out of chocolate lol. Needless to say I didnt do that again. Daily cleaning was an absolute must in the desert!

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