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  • As a player I would love to get in on this.

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  • As the leader of an internal TG squad I can vouch that my squad would participate.

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  • I'm not only a player, but am also willing to help the admins put this thing together.

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Discussion: Battlefield 2 / Battlefield 2 - Ranked Vanilla - Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll - There's a healthy discussion here at TG on teamspeak and in the nooks and crannies
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    Lightbulb Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    There's a healthy discussion here at TG on teamspeak and in the nooks and crannies of forums about who we want to scrim with based on their preferred gameplay and how we will respond to it.

    It would seem the one thing we can all agree on obviously is that we all like TG gameplay the most and wish we could play a match as coordinated as a scrim on those rules. The public server is great but it's just not up to the level of play encountered in scrims.

    To that end I think there is much more room for internal scrimming at TG. I think this will be the best source of both the style of play we all enjoy as well as a level of coordination we don't see in our public server play.

    But the problem seems to be that most internal squads can't muster 32 player teams. Or that it is too tough to herd the TG rabble into all being able to make the same night. So I have an idea.

    THE TACTICAL GAMER SCRIM LEAGUE

    Each week(or more often) we have a 32 v. 32 match. On a rotating basis different squads are paired with each other. This week 42nd, 1st MIP and 4th vs. 1337th, 7th, and 2nd. Next week it's all mixed again with different squads fighting together on a team. Like the 42nd, 2nd, and 7th versus 4th, 1337th and 1st MIP.

    All the squads that make up the winning team all get a win on their record. We track the squads' records individually in this way and at the end of, say, 10 weeks, we have the playoffs or something. If people are interested, we could even have some stuff for fun like a 16 v 16 All-Star game(with 32 spectators BattleRecorded) or 16 v 16 tourney for the wild card slot in the playoffs for the teams that don't make them.

    I'd suggest we have the league scrims on rotating nights of the week to ensure that all TGers are able to participate. This will also allow all the players of single internal squad to rotate through their allotted portion of slots on a team each week. This will help the larger squads that have more members than their slice of the team can accommodate.

    This post is long enough already but realize that this leaves room for a concurrent CO league in which COs float above the squad structure as a separate caste and we tally each CO's wins and losses as well. The league would allow for 20 CO appearances if scored by match. Might be an elegant solution to the dilemma of who COs what matches.

    I think we could have a lot of fun with this sort of thing. TG fun. Leave the bunny-hopping scrim teams to their own devices.

    Sound off with your comments or suggestions. Be nice to hear what the various internal squad leaders think about this and if their squad would be interested.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    i posted this in bom's post but it belongs here:

    This is what i'm talking about! What's our greatest asset? US. We're our own best friend and worst enemy. We have tactical conflict that is underutilized and we have all the internal resources to be successful for "campaign play". If we focused all the energy we have in organizing and policing external scrimmages (props to Bommando) on setting up something INTERNALLY like Strag laid out above we'd have the best of both worlds: player base and similar tactical style gaming.

    We have 45-60 SMers sign up for every scrimmage now. We have servers, maps, mods that all can be tweaked to our liking. We have admins, CO's, SLers, Pilots etc etc in abundance who we could easily with some effort be split into even teams and provide us 32 v 32 player games - not to mention in house squads who could battle it out 8v8 or 16v16.

    We have a great untapped resource here that should be looked into. If we were smart we would supplement our external scrimmaging with more internal scrimmaging. Well run internal scrimmages can easily fill the void left by us deciding not to play teams/groups that dont play our way or close to it.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    Yeh this is a natural.. I thought Tactical conflict would be the tool to do this.. but I'm with ABRA that it should be a regular thing with as little admin as possible short of a rotating schedule and a sign-up sheet.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    I think it would be great. This would encourage more teamwork.
    I was tempted to press the last option, just because it's so funny.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    I like it, but with a few alterations because of this and this. Basically,

    Quote Originally Posted by Strag
    I think it would be great to have regular, organized internal matches with random teams (as has been suggested in another thread). It would give us the high level of play we seek with the style of play we employ. We could even set up our own internal league that recycled every month or two. We could randomly pick two internal teams, have them play a best-of-three or best-of-five campaign over a one- or two-month span, post a winner (with accompanying ribbons, if desired), and then restart the whole thing with newly randomized teams.

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    I think the biggest barrier to internal "league" play would be attendance. You can't pick a fixed group of people and guarantee that they will be present on a few chosen days.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    dont we already have a ladder going in the tacticalconflict site......
    that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    With some work this would be the ideal choice. It would be a hell of a lot of fun.

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by icky
    I think the biggest barrier to internal "league" play would be attendance. You can't pick a fixed group of people and guarantee that they will be present on a few chosen days.
    True, and if we had two randomized teams, I would envision all TGers wishing to participate would be split among those two teams so that the teams weren't fixed at only 32 players each. So, each team might have 45 players, some of whom wouldn't be able to play on a given night. There could be a sign-up for each match, and hopefully there would be enough players for each match.

    I imagine for the current external scrims, there are players who don't even bother to sign up once they see the roster reach more than 45 or so players. I would think fielding two 32-player teams weekly or bi-weekly would be realistic.

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    sorry i voted the fourth option due to its hilarity

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    Sorry didn't read the entire thread, but is this SM's only?
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Hero
    Sorry didn't read the entire thread, but is this SM's only?
    IMO, no. I think it should be open to all TGers. In fact, having two full teams of at least 32 players playing on various nights should allow room for non-SMs to participate. I would imagine SMs would still get some sort of priority, though.

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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    I agree icky attendance would be a problem as always with any online scheme.

    First off though so what? So this week's Monday night game was under attended but probably still a fun 20 v. 20 match. All the squads involved had equal opportunity to show up. So from a record and fairness standpoint it's not a problem. Next match the teams will be jumbled against and no matter what the attendance is the league will keep moving along.

    Secondly this will be minimized by having rosters larger than matches can accommodate. When the league is setup in the preseason and people are signing up, I'd intend matches only to accommodate 3/4 of the signed up players or less for this reason. Depending on overall interest it'd probably be that each squad the wants to play would have a locked roster of 8 or 9 names that they sign up with and are only given slots for 6 people on thier team. Then abscene would only make the heart grow MORE LUSTFUL FOR HOTT HOTT TG ACTION. Match squads would stay more full and there'd be some personal urgency to being there when your squad gives you a slot that week(however they decide to alot them is their business, rotation, tryout, etc.).

    I like the Red team Blue team idea from a pragmatic standpoint. It certainly would be easier to manage and such. But I'm not sure how we'd score it? Anyone on the winning team gets a point and we just have a mammouth standings for the entire enrollment in the league? It'd work but it would lack a certain espirit d'corps and friendly rivalry between squads. Plus having a squad-based league would mean the existing squad infrastructure could have more purpose and be used to prep for these games.

    I'm all for Tactical Conflict to fill this void. Does anyone know if they have a ladder setup on a rotating squad basis, a ladder that's close to being in progress or if they play by TG rules in matches?
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    Re: Alternative Option to Bommando's Scrim Poll

    ABRA,

    This is an excellent idea and oddly enough, it's already in the works. My plans when deciding to support in-house teams was to provide this very environment you describe utilizing the individual squads as teams that would be mixed and matched on a rotating basis. This will help foster a better community feel as we will get used to playing with one another in coordinated events but by keeping the teams rotating, it will prevent TG from getting an us vs. them type of feeling by always playing against the same team/teams.

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