Originally Posted by Bhack

I need to elaborate more:

What if there is no CO or the CO is new and doesn't understand we make squads for the purpose of air asset usage? What if the CO doesn't have VOIP to ask the squad leader whose offending member is using that helo to get out? You think the idea is going to make it down the chain of command through him typing the order? Fat chance.

And what if this player who isn't in the jet squad is playing properly and not harming anyone? He should be booted? Maybe he'll catch the chat requests, and maybe he won't. Most of the TG regulars won't be using the assets if they aren't in the "asset" squad anyway, but the occassional pub player will use them. We can send admin messages but there is no guarantee the person will even see them.

So even though there is a pilot and gunner in a squad together, able to use the chopper much more effectively (to help the team out) because of their VOIP channel and their dedication to keeping the chopper in the air, than some random infantry squad member that just hopped in the chopper, that there can be no way for us to use that chopper to its fullest tactical ability because of a lacking rule?

If you are the pilot and he is in the gunner's seat, don't take off. Spam him with "get out!" messages. If he's piloting and you are gunning, spam him with "get out!" messages. As long as they are following the rules, we shouldn't be kicking people who could potentially become lasting members here.

"CO this is squad 8, we are a dedicated attack helo squad, can you ask the member of squad 4 that is currently using the chopper to hop out so we can. Then you can order us to hot spots on the map or to aid infantry squads that need close air support." You can't argue against the fact that the second part of the request is a better and more TACTICAL use of that chopper than if some other squad member (who does not even have direct VOIP with the commander) is just randomly attacking targets with it. What tactical commander WOULD NOT want the ability to move around his close air support as needed? This is TACTICAL gamer right?

My point is that even without the prescence of a CO, the chopper is better used by a dedicated squad.

Nope, can't argue with you on that. You are absolutely right.

Regarding the locked squad issue. I believe air asset squads should have a rule that they cannot be locked. This allows excess players (above the amount of seats in the air asset) to request a seat. If they are denied that request, because noone wants to give up their seat, they should accept the fact that the others were there first and wait till they disconnect/tire of the role, leaving the air squad in the meantime. If they refuse to leave they are a waste of resources being in that squad and should be kicked by the squad leader.

As you know, we have our jet/chopper hogs at TG. Some are very gracious and will give up their seat when someone else would like to fly, but some don't. Is it fair that the same people fly over and over and over and don't give up their seat for a new guy? Probably not. Before we kick someone because they want to fly but someone won't give up a seat, I'd like to see some of the regulars give up that seat for some new people.

And I agree, air squads should never be locked.

And JMJ regarding:


If they can't join the JET squad because it is FULL (all jet seats taken) or FULL and Locked (with all jet seats taken) yet continue to fly the JET when the appropriate squad needs the asset, then they should indeed be warned/kicked as necessary. Too bad, so sorry, someone else went through the trouble of creating the appropriate squad with intent of its use, other people joined that wanted to fly BEFORE you wanted to join and have the right to that vehicle.

I have never seen a jet squad full and locked at the same time. I've only seem them with 2 or 3 people in them and locked. This would indeed be a very rare case and one where we might have to take action. However, this goes to the above quote by you, a full air squad is a waste of resources.