Re: More 1.2 patch footage

**TychoCelchuuu** · 01-26-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kilrogg

I don't think UAVs are going to go down as often as you guys are saying. People generally have better things to worry about than look at the sky for a small plane. It's not like it makes sound or you can know where the CO is putting his UAV on the map.

You forget that every time you die, you stare straight up for 15 seconds until you respawn.

**millipede777** · 01-26-2006, 02:27 PM

I think having the UAV visible and that fragile is going to make it pretty much useless. As soon as it's seen it'll get taken down.

I like that the choppers can be taken down by less rockets (helicopter and AT) because it'll allow infantry to defend themselves better from choppers and it'll allows me to kill the lousy helo pilots with out wasting tons of ammo. What I don't like is how quickly the chopper gets taken down by .50's. They are already deadly against choppers now, making them anymore powerful will make the chopper useless. Also, if they weaken choppers this much they also need to make jets significantly more fragile or they will become even more important in deciding the outcome of the game. (keep in mind that this is all coming from someone who flys attack helos and jets very often)

I think the arming distance on the toob is long enough. It prevents suicides but gives skilled players the ability to shoot around corners. I think it will result in the toob being just as useful in tactical gameplay but will prevent the idiots from doing kamikaze attacks.

I didn't notice any real change in the C4. Even if you can throw it further I don't think it'll be huge problem unless people start using it as super-grenades. (Even then, it wouldn't be terrible)

**FPS_Douglas** · 01-26-2006, 03:16 PM

I have hit choppers with 2 AT rockets and had them survive, on several occasions. If you don't miss a shot with a .50 cal, you do a number on choppers now. If you spray till you overheat, you will miss a lot of shots on a moving chopper. I agree with mayfield about the stickiness of C4. I would actually like to see it take time for a spec opps to make c4 stick, almost like when an engi picks up a mine.

**BigGaayAl** · 01-27-2006, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by munchkin

As was demonstrated in the video, any obstacles high enough can have irritating consequences for that particular asset.

Should be good

I seriously doubt that the uav hitting objects will be possible. On the video, you can't possibly tell wether the UAV is shot by the spec ops or hits the smokestack. It would be plain rediculous to expect the commanderto be able to estimate wether the ua will hit something.

I think a great thing about the chopper nerf will be that chopper vs chopper will be decided more by maneuvering and the guns. Rightnow THE chopper vs chopper weapon is the tv missile, and it is an air to ground missile

. Maybe i won't have to try shooting a chopper with the tv missile on dragon valley ever again, while looking at a totally white screen!

Let's hope though they DO make the AA more useful. It should be able to take down planes more regularly.

C4 in the video is absolutely normal throwing distance. Might be that this video was made on an older version of the game. Just because it was released later doesn't mean it is from a more recent version

**munchkin** · 01-27-2006, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by BigGaayAl

I seriously doubt that the uav hitting objects will be possible. On the video, you can't possibly tell wether the UAV is shot by the spec ops or hits the smokestack. It would be plain rediculous to expect the commanderto be able to estimate wether the ua will hit something.

There are 2 separate clips of the UAV in action. In the first, it comes into extremely close proximity to the smokestack, and then explodes. We can safely assume that it hit the stack. In the second clip, the player shoots the UAV until it is downed. I think you're getting the two confused.

**BigGaayAl** · 01-27-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by munchkin

In the second clip, the player shoots the UAV until it is downed.

I don't think it's possible to tell. If you look closely, on the first explosion, you can hear him shoot exactly when it explodes. At that moment it is also at the stack. Since there is no reference point behind the uav, i think it is impossible to tell.

You could reason however that the guy who made the clip wouldn't put this first part in unless it was in fact hitting the stack. Still, i hope they don't include that, seems a very lame way to lose a uav.

**Kilrogg** · 01-27-2006, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by FPS_Douglas

I have hit choppers with 2 AT rockets and had them survive, on several occasions. If you don't miss a shot with a .50 cal, you do a number on choppers now. If you spray till you overheat, you will miss a lot of shots on a moving chopper. I agree with mayfield about the stickiness of C4. I would actually like to see it take time for a spec opps to make c4 stick, almost like when an engi picks up a mine.

2 AT hits (unless you hit some weird part that doesn't/barely takes damage like the end of the tail) on an attack chopper takes you either to flame point or in the red, depending where exactly you hit (there's a minor variance in damage). Either way I don't remember surviving 2 AT rockets more than like 3-4 times in my BF2 career. You're rarely at 100% hp in a chopper and even if you are, just shoot at the chopper a bit after you AT it twice as it's flying away and you'll take it down.

As for the UAV, I think it ran into the smokestack. They have to make it fly at a low altitude so players can shoot at it.

**Bodofooko** · 01-27-2006, 09:43 AM

Wonder if arty will take out the UAV. Cuz I see COs use them together at the same spot quite often.

**TychoCelchuuu** · 01-27-2006, 12:19 PM

Well, I've hovered in artillery with an attack chopper before, and the UAV's profile is so small it's highly unlikely an artillery shell would hit it.

**Riki_Rude_BTYC** · 01-27-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by FPS_Douglas

I agree with mayfield about the stickiness of C4. I would actually like to see it take time for a spec opps to make c4 stick, almost like when an engi picks up a mine.

id like to see the same thing, becuause C-4s main purpose to me is to take out tanks and you need it to stick to take them out. so the idea of it taking a little long to stick seems like a great idea. as much as i throw C-4 to take out tanks, id love to see the ability to throw taken out.

**wushuhero** · 01-27-2006, 07:25 PM

I wonder if you can jump out of a chopper and land on it(the UAV) then place a few stick of c4 of it then dive off into a Mission impossible pose as the uav is blowing up in the backround

wil that even be possible, does it even have any collission meshes, my bet is if it get too close to a static it will just go through it, this is just probably another half assed project by dice, like the jetski in SF wich will defy all the laws of...EVERYTHING!?!

**Kilrogg** · 01-27-2006, 08:18 PM

It hit the smokestack and blew up in the video so it obviously has collision.

**Riki_Rude_BTYC** · 01-28-2006, 06:25 PM

ive flown into quite a few smoke stacks and havent blown up =P

**VegaBond** · 01-29-2006, 12:21 AM

Get rid of the squad hopping which I heard might be in the alpha build, then yeah that will also totally change the game as well

XS-StrikeEagle · 01-29-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by wushuhero

I wonder if you can jump out of a chopper and land on it(the UAV) then place a few stick of c4 of it then dive off into a Mission impossible pose as the uav is blowing up in the backround

Lol...nice

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