Re: Dysfunctional Squads and Squad Leaders!

**wushuhero** · 03-23-2006, 07:30 PM

since were talking about the number of squads here,what are your feelings about Specialty Squads. Sometimes there could be 3 or 4 specialty squads further segregating are troops. I for one join them alot, for instance a "Jets Squad" or a "Special Ops" squad, I frequently make "BlackhawK" squads, but then I sometimes I sit in those squads with only 1 or 2 other player, with our main goal(if there is one) not really clear.

**ChIck3nL3gz** · 03-23-2006, 07:31 PM

I understood where you were coming from but had to clarify on the Chicken Squad I seldom create. We may look like we have no idea whats going on but normally there is a plan and there is an objective. When I SL I tend to take long routes and split my squad up as to avoid contact until it is absolutely necessary. Also, when we've got a good defense going and I see an open flag somewhere I will take several of my squad members and have them grab a vehicle and attempt to cap said flag.

So thats probably why you see guys from my squad all over the map, because there are times when I send people to various flags to either cap an undefended flag or to support another squad. And like I said, I know I'm not the best SL, but I try. Adn when I SL I generally know where all of my squad members are and 90% of the time its because I send them off to do other things. There is that slim 10% when I've got guys in my squad TG tagged and not who do their own thing.

I can also admit that yes, there are times when I'm disorientated and get seperated from a squad I'm in but I usually do get on VOIP and let my SL know. I've never had a problem communicating when I'm SL or with my SL.

**Santa** · 03-23-2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by wushuhero

since were talking about the number of squads here,what are your feelings about Specialty Squads. Sometimes there could be 3 or 4 specialty squads further segregating are troops. I for one join them alot, for instance a "Jets Squad" or a "Special Ops" squad, I frequently make "BlackhawK" squads, but then I sometimes I sit in those squads with only 1 or 2 other player, with our main goal(if there is one) not really clear.

Completely depends on the situation and the CO. You have to ask yourself, is your specialty squad helping the team more in whats its doing, or could it help more by joining a regular squad that holds flags? If you have too many specialty squads, thats more and more players not actually defending/attacking flags, and it might be damn near impossible to get the neccesary amount of flags. A good way to gauge this is to see how many 5 and 6 man squads you have, and if that number equals the amount of flags neccesary to gain bleed.

If you have a CO, its completely up to him. If the CO deems that your specialty squad, whatever it is, could help more by breaking up to join real squads, then you have to. A CO shouldnt have to cope with his squad layout, but should rather be able to shape it enough so that its more manageable.

I guess ive gotten somewhat off topic. Dysfunctional squads usually occur with squad members going off to other objectives or getting seperated without telling the SL. If you have an idea of where you should be or that you got seperated, make sure to tell the SL. He'll either agree with you and let ya do what you wanted, or he'll deny you. Either way you gotta listen to him, granted that hes being communicative in the first place.

**TheFatKidDeath** · 03-23-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

I understood where you were coming from but had to clarify on the Chicken Squad I seldom create. We may look like we have no idea whats going on but normally there is a plan and there is an objective. When I SL I tend to take long routes and split my squad up as to avoid contact until it is absolutely necessary. Also, when we've got a good defense going and I see an open flag somewhere I will take several of my squad members and have them grab a vehicle and attempt to cap said flag.

So thats probably why you see guys from my squad all over the map, because there are times when I send people to various flags to either cap an undefended flag or to support another squad. And like I said, I know I'm not the best SL, but I try. Adn when I SL I generally know where all of my squad members are and 90% of the time its because I send them off to do other things. There is that slim 10% when I've got guys in my squad TG tagged and not who do their own thing.

I can also admit that yes, there are times when I'm disorientated and get seperated from a squad I'm in but I usually do get on VOIP and let my SL know. I've never had a problem communicating when I'm SL or with my SL.

Good point.

**ed_chiang11** · 03-23-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by TG_Santa

Completely depends on the situation and the CO. You have to ask yourself, is your specialty squad helping the team more in whats its doing, or could it help more by joining a regular squad that holds flags? If you have too many specialty squads, thats more and more players not actually defending/attacking flags, and it might be damn near impossible to get the neccesary amount of flags. A good way to gauge this is to see how many 5 and 6 man squads you have, and if that number equals the amount of flags neccesary to gain bleed.

If you have a CO, its completely up to him. If the CO deems that your specialty squad, whatever it is, could help more by breaking up to join real squads, then you have to. A CO shouldnt have to cope with his squad layout, but should rather be able to shape it enough so that its more manageable.

I guess ive gotten somewhat off topic. Dysfunctional squads usually occur with squad members going off to other objectives or getting seperated without telling the SL. If you have an idea of where you should be or that you got seperated, make sure to tell the SL. He'll either agree with you and let ya do what you wanted, or he'll deny you. Either way you gotta listen to him, granted that hes being communicative in the first place.

I couldn't agree more....
A good example: everytime if Arf and I are in the same Jet squad, I think it's better for us to just break and join regular squads... BECAUSE we tend to do more harm than good to the team, we somehow have ways to teamkill each other all the time, even when both of us are taking off we would somehow embrace each other in mid air or on the runway.... :->

Ed

**wushuhero** · 03-24-2006, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by ed_chiang11

I when both of us are taking off we would somehow embrace each other in mid air or on the runway.... :->

lol, Ive "embraced" a few teammates as well while flying

**Nitecrawler** · 03-24-2006, 01:20 AM

There are times when one unwittingly becomes SL. The person that was originally leading leaves and you are pushed up the rank. I've had times when I start requesting new orders as well as others only to realize that I've been the new SL for the last 2 minutes. It happens.

**Boot** · 03-24-2006, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by TG_Santa

Completely depends on the situation and the CO. You have to ask yourself, is your specialty squad helping the team more in whats its doing, or could it help more by joining a regular squad that holds flags?

I don't know about the times that I don't play S1, of course, but lately the times I do play S1 there are maybe 12-20 people on. It's awful hard to hold map points when you have 1 squad of 6 and 1 squad of 2. So I classify this as Santa says, 'depends on the situation,' but I'd when the server is lite I'd rather have several squads of 3 or 4 than one big one.

FKD has a good point though. The other night I joined an SL I didn't recognize, filled with non-TG tags which by itself is fine, but the SL was clearly getting frustrated with the quality of our TG flyers on Zatar. I stayed in the squad to try and coax him along, but the point remains the SL pool is a bit thinner.

Most of this, though, is due to the fact that we've diluted the BF2 pool. RO is out, EVE is apparently more addicting than porn (so I've heard, on both accounts

), and we've split the BF2 players on several nights into TacMod or SF or EuroForces or special events. There just aren't as many players, as many regulars, on.

I'm not bitchin. It's still better here than a random server, and I proved that again with a pubraid the other night. What we need to do is promote the TG way, send new guys to the SOPs, maybe kick a few training sessions into gear (what happened to ABRA?), and if that doesn't work we'll set the roof on fire.

**|TG| B** · 03-24-2006, 11:11 AM

Step it up instead of crying about it.

If you come to TG expecting a teamplay, you have to provide it as well. Instead of just hoping your SL says something be a good SM... SLs will be more encouraged to do the job thus,do it well.

SL and CO roles, and those who are good at these makes TG what it is when it comes to BF2. Believe in yourself at least once and take charge and show your leadership.

Take pride in being part of this community and live up to it.

Lemme spam these, i am sure you will like em...

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...ber-guide.html
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...continued.html
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...-sl-guide.html

some of the replies to these topics are very useful as well... not just the first post...

**John CANavar** · 03-24-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by TG_Santa

Completely depends on the situation and the CO. You have to ask yourself, is your specialty squad helping the team more in whats its doing, or could it help more by joining a regular squad that holds flags?

But also remember the primary reason we are playing games Santa. To have fun. I know it is a broad term, for some it is to win game for others it may be doing what they want to do in-game. But here is my humble opinion on this issue.

Squad categorization. This is the first thing a CO should make.

1) All-purpose squads (can be assigned to any type of mission)
2) Speciality squads (demolition, medevac and others)
3) Close Air Support (Chopper)
4) Air Force

Let the guys play what they want to play and assign them appropriate missions

**TheFatKidDeath** · 03-24-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by |TG| B

Step it up instead of crying about it.

If you come to TG expecting a teamplay, you have to provide it as well. Instead of just hoping your SL says something be a good SM... SLs will be more encouraged to do the job thus,do it well.

SL and CO roles, and those who are good at these makes TG what it is when it comes to BF2. Believe in yourself at least once and take charge and show your leadership.

Take pride in being part of this community and live up to it.

Lemme spam these, i am sure you will like em...

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...ber-guide.html
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...continued.html
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...-sl-guide.html

some of the replies to these topics are very useful as well... not just the first post...

Thanks for your links and for reiterating my point! Sounds like it was quite useful!

**dawolf** · 03-24-2006, 06:17 PM

If you see a problem with the way a squad is run speak up and/or create your own squad.
Because ITS ON! My friend Stan has something to say, too:
http://www.tacticalsites.com/~dawolf/itson.mp3

**Usarion** · 03-24-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

If you're SLing, always say "hi so-n-so" when so-n-so joins the squad, and then request a kit for them (even if it's "whatever kit you're best at").

A) it's friendly

B) it establishes that they're a welcome part of your squad

C) it establishes that you (as SL) are in charge and are actively involved in guiding the squad

that usually sets the tone for me... i don't think i can remember a time when someone intentionally ignored my orders as SL??

Bang on Bro!!!

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