Re: Ranked Server? Frank Discussion.

**Faultline** · 08-03-2006, 02:42 PM

This is where I had rented my box at: http://www.insomnia365.com/

Prices seem to have gone up a little bit but it's nowhere near $500+ a month (unless there's a 1 time setup fee).

Insomnia is a satelite of The Planet, which is where I believe TG hosts some of it's various game servers?

**Tempus** · 08-03-2006, 03:00 PM

Guys, we are not getting a ranked server here, for all the reasons listed in this thread.

With the plethora of games on the horizon, a ranked server, having never made sense for us in the first place, certainly would make no sense now. When 2142 comes out, we may have no choice but to go ranked, but that will be determined then. There are some nice BF2 mods that are maturing which give us more options. Quake Wars will be along in 2007 as well.

Just as Desert Combat made 1942 obsolete for many gamers, some mod is going to come along to make standard BF2 obsolete as well. Be assured that TG will provide a server for it, thanks to all of the Supporting Members we have here.

**Faultline** · 08-03-2006, 03:04 PM

Sorry, I was just pointing out pricing for one wasn't standard across the board for all servers.
I don't support the idea of ranking the server anyways. That's why I'm at TG!!

**BigGaayAl** · 08-03-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by icky

Because the point of discussing this at all is to gain the possible population increase benfits of being ranked. A private ranking system will do nothing for population, so it is essentially the worst of both worlds.

I don't agree. You forget the availability of unlocks as a factor.

**Acid** · 08-03-2006, 04:42 PM

Unlocks just disrupt gameplay even more. The unlocked weapons are better than their standard counterparts, in most cases.

**UnDeaD** · 08-03-2006, 05:19 PM

Unlocks are nice if everybody has them, then its balanced.

**derdmeh** · 08-03-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by undead77

Unlocks are nice if everybody has them, then its balanced.

I personally don't see the appeal of unlocks apart from balancing things when the standard issue weapons are not balanced (Sumluv reminded me about the US/MEC sniper rifles). Otherwise, I think unlocks are intended to create imbalance. I could be wrong.

If I'm not wrong, I'm happy to keep the EA unlock system out of TG altogether. To me at least it makes very little difference what weapon I'm using as long as it is matched to the weapons being used against me. (unless I could throw fireballs like Tim the Enchanter and no one else could, I'd be for that)

**sordavie** · 08-03-2006, 05:49 PM

I thought the sniper rifle difference is balanced out by the AK being much better than the M16 in almost every situation. There are a few situations where an M16 is preferable, but that's so with the Opfor sniper rifles too.

**Nikolas** · 08-03-2006, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tempus

Guys, we are not getting a ranked server here, for all the reasons listed in this thread.

It doesn't seem that many of the minuses are valid and the pluses seem worth the shot. If WOLFServers has 64 player ranked servers for $256/mo - and that's top of the line - and Faultline had one (two?) running for less than that, then it seems that the cost issue is even less of an issue.

Are we risking anything except one month's worth of fees by going ranked one night a week and seeing how it goes?

I'm not trying to be cantankerous, just making some logical points where possible and helping out. If FCW can have a reasonably smacktardless server, then we can have a great one. Saying otherwise underestimates our abilities, in my opinion.

**BigGaayAl** · 08-05-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Are we risking anything except one month's worth of fees by going ranked one night a week and seeing how it goes?

I'd like to point out that going ranked one night is impossible. You rent a ranked server, can't host one yourself. You can host unranked games on a ranked server, but you'll pay for a ranked server for one month minimum probably.

**Nikolas** · 08-05-2006, 05:14 PM

So... it is possible to go ranked one night a week then. Everything you said was presumed by everyone in the thread to be true; note that I linked to the monthly rates for ranked servers.

**CingularDuality** · 08-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

So... it is possible to go ranked one night a week then. Everything you said was presumed by everyone in the thread to be true; note that I linked to the monthly rates for ranked servers.

Ignoring all the arguments against having a ranked server, would this server rental allow our massive amount of customization when running unranked?

It just doesn't sound like a good choice to spend TG's limited funds on... Especially with BF2142 and Quake Wars coming out!

**Mateo** · 08-05-2006, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Ignoring all the arguments against having a ranked server, would this server rental allow our massive amount of customization when running unranked?

No, and that's one of the sticking points.

It just doesn't sound like a good choice to spend TG's limited funds on... Especially with BF2142 and Quake Wars coming out!

Agreed.

**JMJ** · 08-05-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mateo

No, and that's one of the sticking points.

Agreed.

We had some really good games last night, surprised we didn't have more turnout. We also have a large amount of people who own the boosters, too bad we can't get them to show up on the same night....we'd have the same good games on a new map.

**Wulfyn** · 08-06-2006, 09:06 AM

For me all the talk of ranked servers (and I have engaged in a lot, right back to the early days of BF2 here where we only hosted a demo server that ran 10 minutes rounds of Oman) that it all came down to custom content.

There are a lot of small additions that has been made, from admin helping tools (I'd spend 10% of any gaming night kicking people for SM's to get on whilst trying to lead a squad), to enforcing people to stay in a squad which I personally think is critical to our style of gameplay. I'm happy to debate any other issue (popularity, unlocks etc) but essentially it comes exclusively down to this: If we used a ranked server we would have no ability to control the server to the level of gameplay that we desire here.

If I wanted to jump on our server, not join a squad, but run around with a knife all day and lose a hundred tickets for my team because a knife is not a great weapon to use exclusively, then I would be allowed to do that because it is against EA's rules to enforce special 'house rules' on ranked servers. This was highlighted by some ranked servers having pistol and knife only rules. These forced people to fight at close range and resulted in much higher numbers of kills and deaths which, as you do not lose points for dying, resulted in everyone scoring a lot more points than on a normal server. EA delisted these servers.

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