BIG-Ranger

Flew as the bomber 'gunner' (TV guided operator) for the first time tonight....Thanks for the lesson millipede777!

Really enjoyed the experience.

I notice you can get a lock on any target to the left or right - BUT that you can only seem to fire the missle directly forward. Is there a reason why it's useful to be able to lock on targets to the sides (even though you can't fire at them)?

Is it so you let the pilot know where the next targets are?

Cheers.

(It was a terrific game as well - we won by 1 ticket!)

Though I did feel a little air-sick at times.

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TychoCelchuuu

I have been in a bomber all of 1 time, since I sort of feel bad about joining a jet squad without being able to FLY one of them, but if it's a TV missile you ought to be able to steer it left or right after you fire it by clicking again in the direction you want to go.

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BIG-Ranger

Ahhhh, right...

So I get a lock - click to fire - THEN click once again to steer?

Thanks for that.

It was a fun experience (usually I stay out of jets ~ being a confirmed grunt!)

...Scariest bit was when we had a F18 on our tail. Unfotunately EA/DICE don't include a 'sick bag' button! LOL

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JimmyTwoHand

Yeh i never realised that about the TV guided missiles either for a long time. I spent ages bitching to myself that they were as useless as the jet missiles which refused to seek for me. Then i realised you can keep correcting its course with as many clicks as you like. oops. Guess sometimes the instruction manuals can be useful. Then again i think my wafer thin manual floated away on a minor draught....

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BIG-Ranger

Ah ha...My manual went within days...

HAving said that I've learned more online through the 'tricks'n'tips' threads than was ever in the micro-manual! LOL

The one thing than Millipede told me that I thought was important was to call your targets so the bomber pilot doesn't waste his bombs on targets you are going to shoot...

I dunno if it worked but we just called 'mine' to each other when we knew we had a solid victim. I also spied out potential targets for him, like: "Tank leaving the enemy UCB." etc.

I hope it was helpful to him.

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TychoCelchuuu

Yeah, I think I'll go post a little "noob TV missile guide" in Tactics so everyone is on the same page in terms of what they can do.

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TheVegeet

Has anyone noticed this bug:

When gunner in an attack helo, and i press right click to switch to TV guided missiles, it switches to the TV screen, then quickly goes back to normal and then back to TV again.

It is quite anoying, and makes it twice as hard to hit targets with missiles.

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TychoCelchuuu

Yeah, the little flicker thing? It is pretty annoying. I generally try to switch to TV missile BEFORE I really need to aim, just because it's fun to have that little grainy screen.

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millipede777

Sorry I didn't see this thread until now, I've been busy.

That was a lot if fun. I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the score, so I was quite amazed when it went down to 1 ticket!

I think I've only gunned on the bomber once or twice myself. I never noticed that you couldn't shoot to the side, but I doubt it makes a whole lot of difference since you can't get a lock easily when moving that fast. (Especially because I'm the kind of pilot who doesn't ever slow down. Ever.)

The gunners missle on the jet isn't a TV missle, it just looks like one, so people sometimes call it a TV missle. You can't guide it, just lock on and fire.

If there is an open seat in the bomber I would certainly have no problem with you hoping in and manning the missle. Even if you aren't very good, it's still better than no gunner.

Nope, just fire and forget.

What, you didn't like all of the spinning? I think it's fun . Of course, I do some of it in the third person view (When evading other jets), so it wasn't as bad for me.

The manual that came with BF2 was a piece of garbage. I read the whole thing and still had no idea what to do once I got into the game.

Actually, I had never told any gunner for me to do that before. After the second or third time that we both fired at the same target and I wasted all of my bombs when you hit it with the missle, I decided to do that. It worked out quite well. I got to conserve my bombs for the larger targets (like when I killed about 10+ infantry in one drop) so I wouldn't have to reload as often and you got to kill things more often. Yes, you were very helpful.


Yes, that is incredibly annoying and happens to me all the time.

Good idea. I very often am in need of helo gunners, but once they get in they never use the TV missle. They just shoot at everything with the cannon.

Make sure you tell people in the guide not to open fire on an emeny helo with the cannon until they've already tried to hit it with a TV missile. Stealth works just as well in choppers as it does on the ground. If a gunner starts shooting with the cannon then the enemy know they are under attack and starts evading, then you can't get a hit with the missle (unless you're really really good). If you fire the TV missle first and they don't know that you are there, then you can hit them much mre easily and avoid a chopper duel.


Wow, that was one long post.

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WhiskeySix

just to be clear, the TV missle in the helo's are 100% different than the bomber's missle...

the Bomber's missle is guided in 2 ways...

1) First, if you get lock, it's fire and forget! The missle will hit the locked target... IF it's in range and turning radius (remember, the missle's are mounted on the wings of the plane and launch in the direction the plane's flying - don't expect the missle to do a 180* after launch and swing around to kill something just passed off your left wingtip.)

2) second, if you DONT have lock, the missle is laser guided - it follows the cross-hairs... If the pilot flys steady enough, you can get a lot of good kills this way.... just launch the missle and keep the + on the target... (this is really effective on oman, where you can launch in the general area of a beach CP, and guide it towards the AA emplacements - usually good for a kill or two...)


(edit: it goes without saying, but bomber pilots should rely on the gunner nearly as much as an attack-helo pilot does their gunner. highest scoring round i ever had was as a bomber gunner on kubra... don't remember who was flying, but pilot made pass after pass after pass, and i got at least one kill on nearly every pass! ended up with over 90 kills)

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millipede777

Ahh, I didn't know about this part. Good info. I'd give you +rep, but I can't.

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