: Interested in Quitting the Irregulars?

seforest · 02-01-2006, 08:00 PM

Doesn't seem like much of a point to keep this thing going since most of the active members are forming a new squad and all that remains are dozens and dozens of non-participating members. Post here to announce your leaving of the squad.

**Trooper** · 02-01-2006, 08:24 PM

why leave when this is a perfect opportunity to get new leadership and keep it going? Get some guys who wanna play in a squad together, get some leadership and go for it, worse that can happen is it fails and goes away

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-01-2006, 08:25 PM

Well, like you I also feel slapped in the face and betrayed by our so called "brothers". I'm actually fairly hurt by their recent announcement and slandering. Even if it was not their intention and they are only joking about some of what they have said.

As of now I am unsure which direction I want to take this now. I would however like to get feedback from the remnant officers of the Irregulars and see if we can't figure out who is "active" and who is not.

If myself and the other officers do decide to continue on you best be sure a name change is going to occur. Rules will be changed and participation will become mandatory.

**WhiskeySix** · 02-01-2006, 08:58 PM

guys, press on!!! The hurt feeling is to be expected - It was a surprise, and you're feeling left out in the cold, I'm sure! Hopefully this natural reaction will pass quickly!! The last thing we want to do is pull the rug out from under the Irregs! It's not a case of running from something - the members of the 12th were running towards something! Basically, many of us concluded over the last little bit of time, that we simply weren't as irregular as we thought...

Like I said before, the Irregulars isn't the "end of the line" for everyone! There will always be a select group that remain I think, but other's, like the 12th, will participate and get sucked in even deeper.... realizing they want to be part of something more... whether that means joining one of the many in-house teams, or starting there own - I think there will always be turnover in the ranks of the irregs, and that is a healthy and good thing for everyone!

Drizzid · 02-01-2006, 10:02 PM

Hey guys,

I hope you don't decide to fold up the Irregulars. I understand the shock of our announcement but just because we are not in the Irregulars officially doesn't mean we still can't help. You must understand the logistics of creating a new in house squad. A lot of us that took the lead in the Irregulars discovered that we had more time than we thought and wanted more than what the Irregulars were giving to us at the present moment. We could have announced this a while ago but we were all concerned of the reaction from all of you. Please understand that we meant no disrespect to anyone involved with the Irregulars. Also remember that this what the Irregulars are for, to help bring people up to speed to join an existing in house squad or create one for themselves.

If you feel we betrayed you then I sincerely apologize but, we never meant to do anything like that and I offer you any help and support I can to anyone involved in the Irregulars. I think you guys have some good people that stepped up and took the leasership role and did some good things in a very short time.

Sincerely
Drizzid

seforest · 02-01-2006, 10:20 PM

Maybe the idea of the irregulars was flawed from the very beginning. It takes a certain amount of commitment to have a squad and to get enough people to scrims/matches. Even with a core of committed members that have now moved on we could barely get enough people. Truthfully, beyond the members of the 12th I can think of 2 or 3 players from IRR that I've seen playing on a scrim event. What's the difference between what the irregulars were originally supposed to be and a bunch of free agent's with a tag? The only reason I stayed with the irregulars was because of the small group of people that continued to show up. At any rate, best of luck to the 12th!

**Trooper** · 02-01-2006, 10:26 PM

well consider this. The Irrs where created for those who where not SM's, but look at how many are now SM's and have created their own squad. Now the current Irrs have the oppurtunity to rebuild and fill the ranks again, with new players. Then the cylce repeats, the Irrs arent just helping themselves play better, but helping TG grow and expand.

I have said it before, i would love to help set up a structure or answer as many questions as i can. The 2nd is always available.

Delta_Swift · 02-01-2006, 11:08 PM

I posted this in another post, but it's relevant here too:

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Originally Posted by Delta_Swift

Here's my stance:

The idea behind the Irregulars was to create an alternative for busy individuals that love TG, but can't commit to a squad. Essentially, they could come in and play whenever their schedules allow with a tight knit group of friends rather than just random people they find on Server 1. Eventually, if the players were cultivated enough and eventually could commit more, they would join an in-house squad.

Originally, a set number of players were going to be allowed in. The Irregulars would be the first step up in the TG hierarchy. However, when the open door policy was initiated we lost sight of that. Rather than being the first step up, we became the new "TG tag." Find TG. Join the Irregulars. Oh well, no problem. Life goes on.

Eventually, it became apparent that many of the Irregulars were really enjoying each other's company and becoming more "regular" with their availability and commitment. It was decided that an actual in-house squad would be appropriate. Fine. That's all well and good and makes sense. After all, the Irregulars is just a loose affiliation of players. It's not like they were abandoning their team.

Now I hear speak of turning the Irregulars into an in-house squad. Huh? I think we've missed the point here. If you were in the Irregulars and feel like you can now commit to regular practices and an active participation on the servers, why don't you apply to join the 12th or any other in-house squad. The Irregulars was never intended to be an in-house squad. It's supposed to be a smaller community for "irregular" players that enjoy playing with one another and developing team tactics, without requiring a "regular" commitment. Let's keep it at that. Rather than make it an in-house squad, why don't you set a limit to the amount of "Irregulars," (a fairly large number, but much lower than what we have now) and then work on developing that community. Eventually as players become more active, they can move up to an in-house squad (the 12th perhaps) and a new spot will be available for a new Irregular. I'm not sure how you'd go about "purging" the roster, but you could try creating a thread for members to check in with a deadline (say a week and half), and if they don't check in, then take the next step via PM.

Anyway, let's not panic because the old "leadership" of the Irregulars has formed an in-house squad. The Irregulars is sort of a mini-community with no "real" leaders. You get out of it what you put in. That's my buck-fifty.

JimmyTwoHand · 02-02-2006, 05:24 AM

I must say i am very dissapointed with this thread.

I can understand that people are hurt that we are leaving but i never thought i would actually see people lobbying for its destruction. Do you think we did not face exactly the same problems starting this up? Low numbers? no SMs? Nothing more than a guideline document from Wulfyn.

Now the irregs are in the scrim league where anyone can fight under their banner. Now the irregs are getting more applications than ever before. Practices are being developed and there are possibilities of furthering that in a more structured way with community integration. Look at all the possibilities and achievements and then say its not worth staying. Quite frankly i find that shoddy in the extreme.

Quote:

If myself and the other officers do decide to continue on you best be sure a name change is going to occur. Rules will be changed and participation will become mandatory.

My advice would be to take a few days to think it over and get past the shock factor before doing anything drastic. There is a very good foundation to build upon if you so wish. One of the reasons we were so optimistic for the irregs is that people like yourself were stepping forward. If you do not wish to take a more active role, do not. No one wants to shoehorn you into a position you do not want. If you only do the minimum your officer duties require it will keep the irregulars ticking along nicely until such time as it takes its next progression.

If the irregs is going to be destroyed by kneejerk reactions i will instantly resign from the 12th and take up back at the irregs.

ptegan · 02-02-2006, 05:25 AM

Those that had the most amount of time to commit to to the Irregulars were mostly those that did the work, organising events, scrims and actually playing under a TG-IGG squad in-game. Those same people maybe realised that if they had that much time to dedicate to Irr then why not actually use it in the formation of an in-house squad.

The problem is that those of us 'left behind' are those that joined Irr because we 'really' qualified to join. We couldn't play as often and didn't have enough free time to join a 'real' in-house squad.

This suggests to me that there won't be very many 'leaders' stepping into all the shoes that have become empty with the formation of the 12th.

as I said in the other thread, the ofrmation of the 12th is fine for me and a natural progression from Irr. It's just the fact that it's happened so soon and many of the best players, both in the game and in the forums, are leaving all at the same time.

smallfatcat · 02-02-2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ptegan

It's just the fact that it's happened so soon and many of the best players, both in the game and in the forums, are leaving all at the same time.

Oh c'mon. Leaving where? We still play on the same server. We still read the same forums.

**CingularDuality** · 02-02-2006, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

Well, like you I also feel slapped in the face and betrayed by our so called "brothers". I'm actually fairly hurt by their recent announcement and slandering. Even if it was not their intention and they are only joking about some of what they have said.

As of now I am unsure which direction I want to take this now. I would however like to get feedback from the remnant officers of the Irregulars and see if we can't figure out who is "active" and who is not.

If myself and the other officers do decide to continue on you best be sure a name change is going to occur. Rules will be changed and participation will become mandatory.

Perhaps everyone here should read the TacticalWiki entry again. The Irregulars were conceived and given a greenlight to exist here at TG for some very specific reasons.

Don't pretend that the Irregulars were anything more than they were, and don't pretend that the Irregulars are anything less just because some people moved on to a House Squad.

ptegan · 02-02-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

the Irregulars are anything less just because some people moved on to a House Squad.

JimmyTwoHand · 02-02-2006, 06:44 AM

I think your first list shows them are still some very active and very good players left in the irregs. The ones who moved on to the 12th were those who were priamrily pushing the irregualrs towards inhouse squad practices. The irregulars is not, was not, should not and cannot be an in house squad. Moving down this road was not good for those who inherited from the irregs a banner under which to fight when able.

For those who want more i still believe there are certain avenues of progression which the irregs can march along. If people do not wish to or do not have the time to look at further opportunities, the irregs will still provide a way for those who cannot make regular play a priority to meet up, fight together and participate in scrims in a more organised way. Which was always the original core intention

I believe that like it always has the irregulars will continue to develop new enthusiasms and new sms and can continue to play a beneficial role to TG.

Back on to topic, if anyone does feel as strongly about this as forest and thinks this is a resignation matter then after posting i assume that they can remove their name from the roster or ask myself or chickenlegz to do so for them. That is a matter for each to decide by their self.

**CingularDuality** · 02-02-2006, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptegan

But it is different. Tg-Irr loses some of the best leaders it had and some of the most active. Whenever there was a scrim or such it was mostly those that left (IMHO) that attended. Maybe I got things wrong but I felt that there was a solid core of players about which the rest of Irr was based. The ones that started it all up and kept the ball rolling so to speak.

Then I wouldn't have cared less. But when 30% of a squad leave and it's some of the most active 30% then I can't help but feel a little worried for the future, that's all.

But it doesn't matter! The Irregulars are not a regular squad! They're the misfits. The ones that don't belong in a House Squad with regular leaders.

One of you will stand up when needed to prepare for a scrim and will organize things. Do not try to use the 12th as a scapegoat because you might actually have to put a little bit more effort into keeping things going here.

Do not forget that the Irregulars were conceived to do exactly what they just did: to form new House Squads.

02-01-2006, 08:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
seforest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WI Age: 28 Posts: 40	: Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? Doesn't seem like much of a point to keep this thing going since most of the active members are forming a new squad and all that remains are dozens and dozens of non-participating members. Post here to announce your leaving of the squad.

02-01-2006, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,559	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? why leave when this is a perfect opportunity to get new leadership and keep it going? Get some guys who wanna play in a squad together, get some leadership and go for it, worse that can happen is it fails and goes away __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

02-01-2006, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,541	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? Well, like you I also feel slapped in the face and betrayed by our so called "brothers". I'm actually fairly hurt by their recent announcement and slandering. Even if it was not their intention and they are only joking about some of what they have said. As of now I am unsure which direction I want to take this now. I would however like to get feedback from the remnant officers of the Irregulars and see if we can't figure out who is "active" and who is not. If myself and the other officers do decide to continue on you best be sure a name change is going to occur. Rules will be changed and participation will become mandatory. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

02-01-2006, 08:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
WhiskeySix Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gillette Stadium, Section 309, Row 12, Seat 24 Age: 33 Posts: 8,008	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? guys, press on!!! The hurt feeling is to be expected - It was a surprise, and you're feeling left out in the cold, I'm sure! Hopefully this natural reaction will pass quickly!! The last thing we want to do is pull the rug out from under the Irregs! It's not a case of running from something - the members of the 12th were running towards something! Basically, many of us concluded over the last little bit of time, that we simply weren't as irregular as we thought... Like I said before, the Irregulars isn't the "end of the line" for everyone! There will always be a select group that remain I think, but other's, like the 12th, will participate and get sucked in even deeper.... realizing they want to be part of something more... whether that means joining one of the many in-house teams, or starting there own - I think there will always be turnover in the ranks of the irregs, and that is a healthy and good thing for everyone! __________________

02-01-2006, 10:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Drizzid Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 2,928	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? Hey guys, I hope you don't decide to fold up the Irregulars. I understand the shock of our announcement but just because we are not in the Irregulars officially doesn't mean we still can't help. You must understand the logistics of creating a new in house squad. A lot of us that took the lead in the Irregulars discovered that we had more time than we thought and wanted more than what the Irregulars were giving to us at the present moment. We could have announced this a while ago but we were all concerned of the reaction from all of you. Please understand that we meant no disrespect to anyone involved with the Irregulars. Also remember that this what the Irregulars are for, to help bring people up to speed to join an existing in house squad or create one for themselves. If you feel we betrayed you then I sincerely apologize but, we never meant to do anything like that and I offer you any help and support I can to anyone involved in the Irregulars. I think you guys have some good people that stepped up and took the leasership role and did some good things in a very short time. Sincerely Drizzid __________________

02-01-2006, 10:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
seforest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WI Age: 28 Posts: 40	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? Maybe the idea of the irregulars was flawed from the very beginning. It takes a certain amount of commitment to have a squad and to get enough people to scrims/matches. Even with a core of committed members that have now moved on we could barely get enough people. Truthfully, beyond the members of the 12th I can think of 2 or 3 players from IRR that I've seen playing on a scrim event. What's the difference between what the irregulars were originally supposed to be and a bunch of free agent's with a tag? The only reason I stayed with the irregulars was because of the small group of people that continued to show up. At any rate, best of luck to the 12th!

02-01-2006, 10:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,559	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? well consider this. The Irrs where created for those who where not SM's, but look at how many are now SM's and have created their own squad. Now the current Irrs have the oppurtunity to rebuild and fill the ranks again, with new players. Then the cylce repeats, the Irrs arent just helping themselves play better, but helping TG grow and expand. I have said it before, i would love to help set up a structure or answer as many questions as i can. The 2nd is always available. __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

02-02-2006, 05:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
ptegan Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 77	Re: : Interested in Quitting the Irregulars? Those that had the most amount of time to commit to to the Irregulars were mostly those that did the work, organising events, scrims and actually playing under a TG-IGG squad in-game. Those same people maybe realised that if they had that much time to dedicate to Irr then why not actually use it in the formation of an in-house squad. The problem is that those of us 'left behind' are those that joined Irr because we 'really' qualified to join. We couldn't play as often and didn't have enough free time to join a 'real' in-house squad. This suggests to me that there won't be very many 'leaders' stepping into all the shoes that have become empty with the formation of the 12th. as I said in the other thread, the ofrmation of the 12th is fine for me and a natural progression from Irr. It's just the fact that it's happened so soon and many of the best players, both in the game and in the forums, are leaving all at the same time.

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