Irregs and the 12th - Page 2

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-01-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drizzid

I have made some other posts in the Irregular forum trying to explain our position. But I will take a bit of a stand with what you have been saying. Who do you think got the Irregulars where they are when you stepped up to help? Jimmytwohand, sgtDfuller, and others have busted their butts trying to make the Irregulars as good as possible for eveyone. Those guys spent many long hours trying to do the best they could do so don't go pointing your finger in your chest thinking your the only one busting your butt for something.

The reasons you weren't informed is due to the logistics of forming the squad. What do you think would have been like if we announced we were going to start an inhouse squad and you weren't invited to join or other supporting members weren't asked to join that would have caused many more problems than the way we did it. Also understand we could have launched this off much earlier but we were all concerned about the reaction from the Irregulars. If you feel betrayed that was not the intent at all but we all were yerning for more than what the Irregulars were giving us.

If there is anything I can do for the Irregulars then please ask I will be moe than willing to help anyway I can.

I understand that and I've said that I've been working with others as well to try and get the numbers up. I wanted to help out and I was trying.

I was never taking credit for anything that I didn't do. I wanted to try and get eh Irregulars the way JTH and the others had wanted and they had complained several times. I was merely trying to help them and I was trying as hard as I could to help get things organized.

I also never said anything about not being invited, I could care less, but it would've been nice to be told on the board that there were some major changes taking place. I think if it were communicated a little better than people wouldn't of felt betrayed. I understand the need to move on. I had been thinking about maybe starting my own squad at some point but I wanted to work with people more in the Irregulars. Thats all. It just came as a bit of a surprise thats all, it just seemed like everyone was kind of keeping it on the DL because they didn't want people to inquire about going with you.

I'm just upset at the lack of communication. Sure, either way you look at it people are going to be upset. And nothing could change that. I just think that it could have been communicated a little better than it was. It was kind of a shock hopping on the forum to see what was going on for tonight before logging into the game to see something along the lines of...."HEY WE'RE NO LONGER PART OF YOUR ROSTER....HA HA...." it was one of those "WTF?" moments as you sat in your chair, mic on your head asking, "What went wrong?" and "Who got pissed off at who? and "For what reason?"

I cpmpletely agree that JTH and the others started the squad and I am in no way taking credit for any of it. But I heard JTH's cries about particiapation a few times and decided, "Well..lemme see if I can't organize some pracitces to get everyone up to speed to help out." it was never anything more than that.

I'm sorry. And with that, I'm bowing out of the thread and going to take a breather and watch some TV or something.

perry · 02-01-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

I understand that and I've said that I've been working with others as well to try and get the numbers up. I wanted to help out and I was trying.

I was never taking credit for anything that I didn't do. I wanted to try and get eh Irregulars the way JTH and the others had wanted and they had complained several times. I was merely trying to help them and I was trying as hard as I could to help get things organized.

Yes, we've seen that and appreciate it. Just don't take offense to what has happened.. It's done with now and time for the remaining Irregulars to move forward and grow the community.

Delta_Swift · 02-01-2006, 11:06 PM

I posted amidst a flurry of other posts, so in case you missed it, go back to page one and read my post about what my interpretation of the Irregulars is.

And second, I'm not upset about the sudden change. Although I did have more of a heads up than most of you guys. I knew that the 12th was in the process of formation a while back when I was originally asked if I was interested. At the time I had lots of time to play and was absolutely ready to make the jump. The only reason I was asked was because at the time I was one of the more regular "Irregulars" and also because Whiskey and I are "reputation buddies"

. Finally when the time came to decide who was in and who was out, I was extremely busy with college, work, etc and decided not to join. And there you have it.

Boot · 02-02-2006, 01:50 AM

Joining the 12th here at TG was about the last thing I ever expected I'd do. I have been playing online games here and there since 1991*, but never really joined a clan, community, clique, whatever. In fact, I made a point at times to play alongside such groups as a friendly outsider, but avoided attachments and -- in my view -- all the politico BS and etc. that always seemed to go along with those things.

First thing that impressed me about TG was the organization, the SOPs, the teamplay. But the more time I've spent here the more I've found that TG is really about being wholly mature. The teamplay is a big part of it, but the expectations others have of each other and themselves is just so far beyond any other online org I've come across.

Off gameserver, there are all kinds of opportunities to explore what a mature online experience is about. From tactical discussions to the sandbox, everyone takes things seriously enough to be respectful, but lighthearted enough to know that nothing is malicious or meanspirited here. If I had +rep for every thread that wandered into a side topic of "how I really meant my post" I'd be king of all you bozos (excepting Apophis, of course).

The point I want to make is that I really hope the guys in the irregulars understand that the 12th formation is not about anything other than taking a next step for guys like me. I didn't do much to organize the irregs but I know the guys who did feel like I do: that this is wholly about realizing being part of a squad is not much harder than being a regular irregular. It is wholly not about choosing to leave guys behind.

I think of the irregs as a funnel that will catch people that come through the server. Every once in a while a couple will stick in the funnel and when it fills up enough, a full squad will fall out. If this is interesting to you, then stick with it. Join another in house squad or wait until enough reg-irregs are avalable to start up the 13th Burgermeisters or something.

And also know that I wouldn't be here if this was about cliques and politicking. That doesn't interest me. We're still going to be on the same servers, in the same forums, at the butt and sight end of your guns. My tag will change but the game will be the same.

Regards to all Irregulars,

Boot.

* Yes, young grasshopper, there were online games back then.

**WhiskeySix** · 02-02-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bootstrap

being part of a squad is not much harder than being a regular irregular

brilliantly said (+rep)

Mjr Doodie · 02-02-2006, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

Look for new announcements on the Irregular Wiki in the next few days of some changes. I need some time to collect my thoughts and get some ideas down on paper.

This a good thing your stepping up. I think the Irr's are lucky to have you. you have allot of good ideas organizing this group. The Irr's need good leaders like yourself who get involved in every aspect. The members of the 12th have worked very hard and have decided to take their commitment to the next level of the TG experience. The 12th is one of many squads that will form from the Irr's. I myself and sure many if not all the other members of the 12th want to continue the relationship with you and all the members of the Irr's. I'm sure with your leadership you will develop a great relationship with your fellow Irr's and lead them into battle the TG way.

P.S. nice avatar

JimmyTwoHand · 02-02-2006, 04:56 AM

Im sorry you and a few of the guys feel the way you do. It is truly a shame that you feel left out of this process. It was a hard decision to do things quietly but throughout the process the constant refrain has been "what about the irregs"? It was felt that a public split with open discussion would have caused unneccessary fractures in the group and could well have led to its break up.

As others have stated though, we are very hopeful that this will not be the case and you will go on to stronger things. With the officer system in place there is a way to cover the work between more people and in a structured way that was never present before. The membership is beginning to pick up already with recent drives for participation and more people are helping out. Im more than willing to keep working on the irregs and helping out to make up numbers in practices etc when possible, so if you think we are breezing out with a cheery wave never to be seen from again you could not be further from the truth. Lots of the 12th wanted to stay on as officers as the irregs but in house squad membership is not compatible with irreg leadership. I think maybe we grew to dominate the group slightly and it was only when the 12ths participation fell that new people started to get involved.

Since our original involvement we have been pushing the irregs in our own direction with lots of help from admins and those more experienced. Now is a new phase when people can look at where they would like and think it should go and really shape the policy. The very worst case scenario doing things this way is that the present officers do an hour of forum time a week. This will keep the irregulars ticking over until a few people decide they have some ideas about what they want to do with it and start on a few projects.

I reiterate that i am sorry if you guys feel betrayed, it was never the intention. In time those of you who decide to take up the reins will probably make the same discoveries and travel the same road we did. We will still be here if you need anything, supporting the irregs enthusiastically.

munchkin · 02-02-2006, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

would like to help merge the minicamps and irregs practices...

Hmm...I'm liking that idea..

JimmyTwoHand · 02-02-2006, 05:08 AM

Yes it was always one of the really promising backburner projects which never really got going unfortunately.

ptegan · 02-02-2006, 05:19 AM

While I agree with everything that Delta_Swift said is his posts, I still somehow feel cheated. It's hard to explain but a quick glance at the actual members of Irr that have left seems to indicate that the future of Irr isn't all that bright.

I realise that Irr can be used as a stepping ladder towards joining an In-house squad, esp as Whisky said, when you find you have more time to play then what you originally thought, but to see a mass of people, including most of the 'staff' and best players, all leaving Irr at the same time, it just feels more like a sinking boat than anything else.

JimmyTwoHand · 02-02-2006, 05:28 AM

It shouldnt. All the structures are in place to keep the irregulars going until somebody or a group of people would like to take it on be they present members or future ones. The only way it will become a sinking ship is if everybody concentrates on the negative aspects. There is absolutely no reason for it to die, we continue to support and help the irregs.

BaneII · 02-02-2006, 10:16 AM

The Irregulars should be seen as a training ground for newcomers to the TG BF2 community. Since it is open to all and not just supporting members, it can help with the transition from public play to TG play. I'm sure it can be frustrating at first to play on TG and constantly get mowed down by someone with a TG squad tag. The Irregulars can be a place to hone skills while at the same time learn what TG is about. Then if a person becomes a supporting member and decide to join or create an in-house squad, it can be seen as a graduation. But that transition should not in anyway diminish what the Irregulars are about. I think it differentiates TG from most of the other communities. Dont forget you have the support of the TG community. No one is abandoning the Irregulars to die on the vine.

Douwe21 · 02-03-2006, 07:12 AM

I just wanted to say that i'm happy for the 12th and for the TG community to have another great (i think it's gonna be the best) squad in our ranks.

I wish you guys all the best and as you said before, we're still in the same community so we'll still be playing together or against eachother.
I had a couple of great laughs on servers and on TS with you guys and i'm sure that will still be same in the future.

Good luck and Godspeed

**Acid** · 02-03-2006, 09:51 AM

I am starting to get worried about the many, many squads we have. The 42nd and 7th are the general squads that can do anything. 531st is the Jet and flying squad. The 4th is SpecOps and Sinper. The 2nd is armor? I am starting to forget, but Wulfyn's post explains all. I am just saying that the Irr squad is meant as being a squad for the irregular or non-SM players. All of these new squads are just like the 42nd and 7th, with little or no focus. Some of them probably do, but they just turn out to be yet another squad.

I am just expressing my opinion on the squad status, you may agree or not, this is not supposed to cause hard feelings or anything.

ChIck3nL3gz · 02-03-2006, 11:29 AM

I dunno but I think the main point is to have fun. And the focus is to play with people you work well with and have fun with.

02-01-2006, 11:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
Delta_Swift Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Carolina Age: 22 Posts: 455	Re: Irregs and the 12th I posted amidst a flurry of other posts, so in case you missed it, go back to page one and read my post about what my interpretation of the Irregulars is. And second, I'm not upset about the sudden change. Although I did have more of a heads up than most of you guys. I knew that the 12th was in the process of formation a while back when I was originally asked if I was interested. At the time I had lots of time to play and was absolutely ready to make the jump. The only reason I was asked was because at the time I was one of the more regular "Irregulars" and also because Whiskey and I are "reputation buddies" . Finally when the time came to decide who was in and who was out, I was extremely busy with college, work, etc and decided not to join. And there you have it. __________________ \|TG\|Delta_Swift

02-02-2006, 01:50 AM	#19 (permalink)
Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 37 Posts: 1,412	Re: Irregs and the 12th Joining the 12th here at TG was about the last thing I ever expected I'd do. I have been playing online games here and there since 1991, but never really joined a clan, community, clique, whatever. In fact, I made a point at times to play alongside such groups as a friendly outsider, but avoided attachments and -- in my view -- all the politico BS and etc. that always seemed to go along with those things. First thing that impressed me about TG was the organization, the SOPs, the teamplay. But the more time I've spent here the more I've found that TG is really about being wholly mature. The teamplay is a big part of it, but the expectations others have of each other and themselves is just so far beyond any other online org I've come across. Off gameserver, there are all kinds of opportunities to explore what a mature online experience* is about. From tactical discussions to the sandbox, everyone takes things seriously enough to be respectful, but lighthearted enough to know that nothing is malicious or meanspirited here. If I had +rep for every thread that wandered into a side topic of "how I really meant my post" I'd be king of all you bozos (excepting Apophis, of course). The point I want to make is that I really hope the guys in the irregulars understand that the 12th formation is not about anything other than taking a next step for guys like me. I didn't do much to organize the irregs but I know the guys who did feel like I do: that *this is wholly about realizing being part of a squad is not much harder than being a regular irregular. It is wholly not* about choosing to leave guys behind.** I think of the irregs as a funnel that will catch people that come through the server. Every once in a while a couple will stick in the funnel and when it fills up enough, a full squad will fall out. If this is interesting to you, then stick with it. Join another in house squad or wait until enough reg-irregs are avalable to start up the 13th Burgermeisters or something. And also know that I wouldn't be here if this was about cliques and politicking. That doesn't interest me. We're still going to be on the same servers, in the same forums, at the butt and sight end of your guns. My tag will change but the game will be the same. Regards to all Irregulars, Boot. * Yes, young grasshopper, there were online games back then. __________________ Boot. In Soviet Russia, TV watches YOU.

02-02-2006, 05:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
ptegan Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 77	Re: Irregs and the 12th While I agree with everything that Delta_Swift said is his posts, I still somehow feel cheated. It's hard to explain but a quick glance at the actual members of Irr that have left seems to indicate that the future of Irr isn't all that bright. I realise that Irr can be used as a stepping ladder towards joining an In-house squad, esp as Whisky said, when you find you have more time to play then what you originally thought, but to see a mass of people, including most of the 'staff' and best players, all leaving Irr at the same time, it just feels more like a sinking boat than anything else.

02-02-2006, 10:16 AM	#27 (permalink)
BaneII Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 2,424	Re: Irregs and the 12th The Irregulars should be seen as a training ground for newcomers to the TG BF2 community. Since it is open to all and not just supporting members, it can help with the transition from public play to TG play. I'm sure it can be frustrating at first to play on TG and constantly get mowed down by someone with a TG squad tag. The Irregulars can be a place to hone skills while at the same time learn what TG is about. Then if a person becomes a supporting member and decide to join or create an in-house squad, it can be seen as a graduation. But that transition should not in anyway diminish what the Irregulars are about. I think it differentiates TG from most of the other communities. Dont forget you have the support of the TG community. No one is abandoning the Irregulars to die on the vine.

02-03-2006, 07:12 AM	#28 (permalink)
Douwe21 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Amsterdam Age: 26 Posts: 57	Re: Irregs and the 12th I just wanted to say that i'm happy for the 12th and for the TG community to have another great (i think it's gonna be the best) squad in our ranks. I wish you guys all the best and as you said before, we're still in the same community so we'll still be playing together or against eachother. I had a couple of great laughs on servers and on TS with you guys and i'm sure that will still be same in the future. Good luck and Godspeed

02-03-2006, 09:51 AM	#29 (permalink)
Acid Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 3,581	Re: Irregs and the 12th I am starting to get worried about the many, many squads we have. The 42nd and 7th are the general squads that can do anything. 531st is the Jet and flying squad. The 4th is SpecOps and Sinper. The 2nd is armor? I am starting to forget, but Wulfyn's post explains all. I am just saying that the Irr squad is meant as being a squad for the irregular or non-SM players. All of these new squads are just like the 42nd and 7th, with little or no focus. Some of them probably do, but they just turn out to be yet another squad. I am just expressing my opinion on the squad status, you may agree or not, this is not supposed to cause hard feelings or anything. __________________

02-03-2006, 11:29 AM	#30 (permalink)
ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,543	Re: Irregs and the 12th I dunno but I think the main point is to have fun. And the focus is to play with people you work well with and have fun with. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

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