Wulfyn

Ok, well my thinking is to have the match over three days. So we split the in house squads into three groups, and assign a map to each. We play on something like a Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, with one map each day. That will keep things simple in terms of start/finish times, and allow the irregulars who cannot make one of the days to still be a part of it.

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ChIck3nL3gz

Capital idea!! Send me a PM with tha dyas you are thinking about making this and I'll get the ball rolling on the Irregulars side.

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Grahukantar

Being one of the newest members of the Irregulars, I have to say, I'm conerned about the direction this discussion is going. One of the things that attracted me to the Irregulars was the open recuitment policy. That and the fact that there was no tryout because, frankly, I stink! :P

Having said that I would like to suggest the following:

1. Any person intersted in joining the Irregulars should contact the Recruitment Officer (RO) or sgt (RSgt) by posting a memo of interest in the forums, through PM here or on TS.

2. The RO or RSgt will inform the applicant of the rules and point out those things that should be read and understood before entry, i.e. SOPs, Wiki etc..

3. Upon acknowlegment of completing the above, the recruit becomes a probationary member for 30 days. During that time, the members should be on the lookout for the probie in game and in the forums. If the membership observes any violations of the rules or SOPs these violations should be pointed out the the RO/RSgt or TO/TSgt with as much specifics as possible. It will become the resposibility of the TO/TSgt to inform the probie of the violation and train them.

4. After the 30 days, the probie becomes a full member. In the event that the probie proves to be "untrainable" i.e. 5 or more violations, they will be removed from the Irregular roster and a report will be submitted to TG administration stating the specific violations and actions taken to correct them for TG reveiw and possible further action.


The number of days probation and the number of acceptable violations are totaly negotiable. I am just suggesting this as a guideline.

What each step does:

1. Keeps recruitment open to all who are interested.
2. Ensures that recruits know what is expected of them in-game and in the forums.
3. Allows the Irregulars an avenue for limiting membership to those that are willing to follow the rules thereby maintaining a degree of autonomy and avoid degredation of rep as a result of foolishness.
4. Legitimizes the Irregulars as part of TG as a whole and recognizes that TG is has the ultimate authority in reguard to anything TG.

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ChIck3nL3gz

Grah, the open recruitment is still in effect and as for the "30 day trial" that is something that isn't implemented, we hope that if you show interest in joining the Irregs that you'd make a point on your own to participate on the forum and on the battlefield.

I do like the idea of having new recruits being watched but we generally do that anyway.

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Grahukantar

Ok... then let me modify:

1. Any person intersted in joining the Irregulars should contact the Recruitment Officer (RO) or sgt (RSgt) by posting a memo of interest in the forums, through PM here or on TS.

2. The RO or RSgt will inform the applicant of the rules and point out those things that should be read and understood before entry, i.e. SOPs, Wiki etc..

3. Upon acknowlegment of completing the above, the recruit becomes a FULL member with all rights and responsibilities afforded to all members of the Irregulars.

4. The Irregulars are a self regulating organization. As such it is the responsibility of each member to bring to the attention of an Irr Officer any violations of rules or SOPs observed on the battlefield or in the forums with as much detail as possible. It will become the resposibility of the TO/TSgt to inform the accused of the violation and remind them of the rule or SOP in question.

5. In the event that a member proves to be "unteachable" i.e. excessive or repetitive violations, they will be removed from the Irregular roster and a report will be submitted to TG administration stating the specific violations and actions taken to correct them for TG reveiw and possible further action.

That should do the trick. Membership remains VERY open and sets the expectation that all members are responsible for ensuring that the rules are obeyed and SOPs followed. In the event that it becomes necessary to remove somebody, a procedure is in place to do so with ample opportunity for warnings and corrected behavior.

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kornkobcom

To get back on topic.....

So, if I understand correctly: Tactical Gamer prohibits the Irr from having ANY barrier to entry for anyone who wishes to join the Irregulars. Effectively that means we cannot bar anyone from joining the Irregulars, even if they've joined another squad without withdrawing form the Irregulars. This means any discussion regarding a potential reorg of the Irregulars must include the understanding that there will be no culling of the roster at all since the nature of this 'in-house' squad is that it is prohibited from denying anyone membership.

Once this is taken into account we need to consider the Irr as a part of a larger organization. Since the Irregulars is not really a normal in-house squad (since only SMs may form or join an in-house squad) it exists because the TG Admins have decided to allow it to exist. So as we discuss how to administrate the Irregualrs, it is less important what the current membership needs or wants from the group. It seems to me that it is more important that we look to what it is the TG Admins need from the organization so it can be tailored to meet those needs.

As near as I can tell they want a squad which:

-Has no barriers to entry, anyone can join at any time
-Provides a squad-like enviornment, without requiring commitments
-Provides training to its membership.

So the question becomes how best to organize so that the Irregualrs can accomplish those missions under those conditions, while remaining flexible enough to survive a large body of membership withdrawing, either to RL or to another squad.

Personally it seems to me that we need make very few changes. If anything we have too much organization. To slim the organization we can:

-replace the 'recruitment' positions with a sticky post explaining our mission and how to add yourself to the roster (edit wiki)

-Intelligence and Commuincations officer positions striken and duties distruibuted among other staff.

-Expand Training officers to a cadre of 3 who develop, organize and execute training exercises, including scirmishes.


But hey--- that's just how I see it.

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millipede777

Once you're in, you're in for life. You can never leave! MUHAHAHAAAHAAA!!!!


Anyway, I like the idea of having people add themselves to the roster. It means we don't need to have extra officers to do it and it forces potential recrutes to actually get on the wiki so they can read it. Don't give them a link directly to the roster, just give them a link to the main page of the Irreg wiki so they actually have to read it to find the roster. To put it better words:
The only problem with this is that people who decide to quit playing may not ever tell anyone, they'll just disappear. Do we really want to keep people on the roster indefinitely? Perhaps every few months we should just go through the roster, find anyone we can't remember seeing, and stick it on a thread in the Irreg forum. If any of the listed people respond, or anyone can actually remember them being on recently then we leave them on the roster. If nobody remembers them being around and they don't respond (maybe send them a PM too) after a week or two, then take them off the roster. Of course, should they suddenly reapear then back on the roster they go.

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ChIck3nL3gz

That whole keeping members on the roster thing kind of happened. We had 30+ members on it that just disappeared. Granted, we have one person on there now who doesn't play and two people that need to be moved from teh unassigned into squads. But its been cleaned up a lot in the past few days. I do think its a great idea to check it at least once a month and clean it up a bit.

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WhiskeySix

hmmm.. what about if once every [month?] everyone is bumped down out of the active list. Then it's up to each individual member, if they're still active, to "renew their subscription" by moving themselves up into the active category?

This requires each individual to be active if they're to be listed as active? At the end of the next [month?] those still on the 'inactive' list fall off the roster completely... This way nobody needs to actively checkup on anyone else.. if they dont update themselves, things sort themselves out naturally: they slip down to inactive, and then after another cycle off the roster all together...


<shrug> just a thought... it's the "opt-in" idea rather than "opt-out".....

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ChIck3nL3gz

Thats also a very good idea and it had crossed my mind while I was in the process of rewriting the Irregs recruitment policy but I had removed it because I felt that it wasn't really appropriate.

But if its ok with everyone else that might be something I can add in to the Roster page.

I still would like some sort of recruitment policy bit I know how its felt about.

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millipede777

I like your idea Whiskey. I think that would be really easy to implement and would work just fine at keeping the roster clean. We might want to make it every two months though. I know I sometimes have long periods of time where I just disapear and don't get online for anything for weeks. (It doesn't happen often, but it does happen) That'll allow plenty of room for people who are only active once in a while but will get rid of the people who signed and and vanished.

As for recruting people, I don't think we really need to change anything (I don't think we can either). Just let in whoever wants to play and if they go away, then eventually they'll be swept off the roster.

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WhiskeySix

lol.. pretty sure that's the definition of "inactive" ... anyway, the "refresh rate" can be figured out...


(It's kinda like picking a delay for the screen-saver and then the delay for "hibernate" on your laptop) I was actually thinking 2 weeks might actually be the sweet spot to go inactive and then maybe 4-6 weeks to fall off the roster - may sound like a long time, but as a point of reference, the Irregs have only existed for about 6 weeks

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kornkobcom

If we're doing something like that we also need to ahve a place to puyt people who take an active role in stating "dude-- I'm going to *insert location here* for *number* weeks and I'll be back, tho!"

For instance, I can honestly say it'll be a minor miricle if anyone here sees me in the months of July, August and maybe September because that is when work ramps up around here.

Call it 'On Leave'.

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ChIck3nL3gz

I ha dbeen thinking of creating another spot just under the "MIA/Unassigned" squad for people who are officially on leave. But I don't quite know how to get the boraders and everything to transfer to a new list so I haven't done it yet.

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millipede777

Well, I do come back... after I've dug my way out of a mountain of homework.

I think having a section for people 'On leave' in the roster would be a good idea too

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