Wulfyn

I don't understand how this is any different than Special Ops hanging around to make sure other assets are destroyed??? Surely it is up to that side to try and get their aircraft back airbourne as a team effort (and the carrier is hardly defenceless). Everyone knows the best time to engage aircraft is before they have taken off.


Now hanging around to spawn camp those people just spawning on the deck is bad form I agree. But I don't see how the decision to get in an aircraft differs from that of deciding to repair assets.

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Apophis

The issue is with specifically circling a UCB in an aircraft for the sole purpose of picking off players and vehicles that have freshly spawned. This scenario doesn't have anything to do with Spec Ops taking down the UCB assets such as artillery, UAV shed and radar dish.

The whole concept of UCB camping is getting twisted a bit with people trying to make too many exceptions. If you're camping a UCB to take advantage of a player or team's lack of situational awareness, just consider it a BAD thing.

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Apophis

This thread, rather than being clarified decisively, has gotten pretty muddled.

One of the major philosophies on which TG was founded is playing a fair game and keeping a sense of honor and dignity intact. Winning against the opposing team NOT because you can deprive them of assets due to the virtual limitation in the game, but because you can out-think them in the battlefield and use superior tactics and strategy to win.

This concept seems VERY difficult to grasp for some people (This isn't referencing you, just a general comment to try and better explain the situation) and many would rather just try and debate it than understand it.

A UCB should NOT be considered a legitimate target. The ONLY resources in a UCB that should be legitimate targets are artillery, UAV shed and the radar.

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Wyzcrak

We (players reading and abiding by the SOPs/announcements) know not to exploit players' lack of situational awareness.

Beyond that, are we or are we not allowed to stay in and/or near a UCB, on land, sea, or air, with the sole goal of destroying (and therefore prevent the use of) the opposition's just-spawned vehicles?

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Apophis

A UCB should NOT be considered a legitimate target. The ONLY resources in a UCB that should be legitimate targets are artillery, UAV shed and the radar.

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Wyzcrak

That might add value for players if it were stated, simply, in the SOP/announcements forum.

That's a good, solid rule.

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Kojio

That AA gun sucks pretty bad. The second an enemy plane hears the Lock-on they just hit flares + afterburners for a clean getaway.

The worst part is when MEC forces paradrop onto the carrier and spawnkill people with a support machinegun or anti-tank launcher. It happens almost every time I play that map, and none of them are ever kick/banned.

TG_Rizzo

This needs to be added to the SOP. This changes quite a bit of the tone of this thread.

Wulfyn

Apophis, thanks for clearing that up. I agree 100% with everything you said, except for one slight exception (which I won't do because it's against the rules, but feel it should be considered as allowable).


If the enemy has a grounded aircraft at a UCB, should it not be fair game to bomb that aircraft before it gets airborne?


I think that this is quite different from spawn camping (which I cannot abide). Also as a secondary question, should an enemy CO be allowed to artillery strike a UCB, as chances are people may just have spawned there?


Sorry for my confusion - thanks for clearing things up!

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Phelan Ward

So long as I am still allowed to hijack helicopters I don't mind what the UCB camping rules are. I never bother with it.

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Apophis

I would say no on bombing the aircraft. Simply because this leads to the same type of spawn raping abuse that can already become an issue. You're free to circle around the UCB at high altitude and take out that aircraft as soon as it becomes airborne though!

I have no issue with the CO striking the UCB with artillery. Their artillery strikes are limited in time and limited to only the CO. With average players being able to all hop in tanks, APCs, jets and helos it becomes a different story.

The philosophy behind Tactical Gamer (which is actually being outlined and described so all of the members and admins understand the passion behind the creation of this community) is not just encompassing teamwork, but beating the other team through strategic and tactical combat rather than leveraging such things as the lack of situational awareness that occurs when players have just spawned.

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Bommando

I would agree that a Spec ops squad should be able to stay in-base to keep destroying assets, but stealing vehicles in the meantime is a big no-no.

I experienced this on the Oman map last night, where 3 or 4 enemies were camping the UCB and camping the vehicle spawns to grab armour, buggies and APCs to further thwart any repair efforts. I did my best for the team spawning as Engineer to try to fix 'em up, but was killed as soon as I spawned 5 times in a row.

To make matters worse, the spawn camper was a TG regular who should have known that what they were doing was low. I won't witch-hunt here by naming them, but you know who you are and you seemed to stop after I sent out a global chat message, so you must have seen the error of your ways.

Karkianman101

I see no problem with stealing enemy vehicles. If you get a really good pilot, take the Blackhawk from the USMC UCB! Make them work to get it back.

Bommando

Stealing vehicles and making off with them, maybe, but stealing vehicles and using them to camp / kill soldiers who try to spawn to fix UCBs = bad form in my opinion.

StrikeFear

I agree with Karkianman - let em steal.
And I agree with Bommando - don't camp - with or without stolen vehicles.

The issue is still camping.

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