Being Support

**matt_g_geier** · 05-08-2006 03:09 PM

I play support quite often. Good guide!

franko and loyal, I experience the same problem you do sometimes. And I think it's because there is a delay from the time you drop to fire then the other guy with a "assult" kit or something of the like, in the fact that I think there is "set up" time if you will... can anyone confirm that?

The best thing to do, since the support gun is good for med range is crawl to shoot the target. Since you should be engaging in a "supportive" role, you shouldn't be running in on the flag so to say. In most cases you can hit people quite a ways out, and you have a better chance of not being hit sooner then they are since you are already down and have 3x the ammo in a clip.

Here's some things I do.

Get down on the ground, let some sqaud members spot. Use your iron sights and short burst them into oblivion. Since you do 200 x 25 damage, you only need to hit the soldier a couple times

I find that support works best as a squad leader, especially in the heat of battle. I know it's been up in the air back and forth about the SL role. I try to take the approach of staying alive, and let me members spawn on me. I can still be part of the action, laying cover fire in most cases. I have the experience and you will often find me taking out two or three targets before my squad will move into position to take a flag, or advance forward.

just my $.02

**JimmyTwoHand** · 05-08-2006 03:11 PM

I always ran into the same dilemma with the support kit. Ive been playing it more recently and the best way to improve accuracy is (when engaging a target at any sort of distance) to treat it like an assault rifle with a large magazine. Fire off 1-3 rounds rather than 10 per burst. Its only those first shots (with the saw especially) that have any accuracy to them although you are still at a disadvantage against an assault rifle which has greater damage in a 1 v 1.

Of course at close range with your body armour and a huge capacity for putting down rapid fire you should be winning most confrontations. Drop prone and hose the guys heads and be aware he will try to run past you and fire back as you cant spin round so quickly whilst prone.I think that the way the support kit is balanced in vanilla it makes the perfect CQB assaulter.

You can also play tacmod where support weapons are much more accurate and supressive fire has a much greater effect.

**Thierry** · 05-08-2006 04:01 PM

Support should never been a CQB assaulter, we got an ASSAULT class for that, support should be for medium range support fire IMO.

**TychoCelchuuu** · 05-08-2006 04:22 PM

The support kit is a lot better at close ranges than Assault, especially for the US side. A full auto gun that has a gigantic magazine is often a whole lot better than an assualt rifle that only has 30 bullets and sometimes can't even fire on full auto.

**Thierry** · 05-08-2006 09:02 PM

Which totally makes the Assault class obsolete...

**TychoCelchuuu** · 05-09-2006 11:53 AM

The assault class has a grenade launcher and theoretically it is more accurate.

**Thierry** · 05-09-2006 12:29 PM

An assault wont beat an RPK with an M16 in an alley in karkand, but it should beat it.

**Rick_the_new_guy** · 05-09-2006 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by franko01

Great Post Thierry

My biggest problem is I think I can acctually hit somehting with my
support gun, it seems I'm always getting beaten to the punch, you
know, I see someone, he sees me, we both drop and fire, and I
rattle off 20-30 rounds and I'm dead. Am I expecting too much from
my gun ? Should I play more like a medic and hang back ?
It seems whenever I move up and engage I lose.
But at the same time I feel "guilty" if I hang back and spray support
fire only.

Signed, "Tired of the Drop/Fire/Dead routine !"

I feel your pain franko. It seemed like when i joined the server i was totally frustrated with the old, you see someone turn a corner they drop and before they hit the ground your dead routine. It sucked even more when you see them first and wound them and they still drop and shot you dead. I trained a lot offline cause i did not have the internet, while this enabled me to get the controls down it did not prepare me for the fast paced acton of TG. i have gottne better at staying alive.
in close quarters action a lot of times players will hit the ground only a few feet a way. i have found that crouching and straifing and firing without going into zome mode works o.k. here. if they are really close, run close to them and take their flank so they lose you in their sights with their most likly zoomed in view.
It is a little tougher in the attack mod without the cross hairs. But practice will keep you ahead of the curve. u may lose to the vets everytime but there are always new guys like me to prey upon.
Very educational material Thierry, thanks a bunch.

**Joebar** · 05-15-2006 11:55 AM

Support rifle is cool when used as a mid-range "support" gun as intended..

People using it as a front line assault rifle suck

I can't count the times I've turned a corner in karkand only to have some support guy do a dolphin dive and wipe me out.. Kinda cheesy.

Something needs to be changed with that kit. Maybe like a 1 second firing delay after going prone -- which shouldn't be an issue when the kit is being used as medium range support role.. It would make it less useful for people running around on the front-lines and force them to stay back and "support" or choose the assault kit if they wanna stay up front.

**Joebar** · 07-04-2006 01:55 AM

So that about ended this thread eh? lol.....

As much as I dislike it, I can get the diving with the support gun -- but now I see the new trend (at least for the past 3 hours tonite) is dive-shooting with the assault/medic kit.

Very dolphin-esqe and not realistic..

**Thierry** · 07-07-2006 01:02 PM

Best fix to this would be a delay in which you get prone accuracy, or that you lose accuracy for a short time as you actually THROW yourself onto the ground.

**Kerostasis** · 07-16-2006 04:06 PM

I can't tell you how many times I've been playing BF2 and wished for Day of Defeat infantry mechanics...

1-2 seconds delay after going prone, before you can fire--stops prone diving cold
Machine gun thats not set up has no accuracy at all--need a miracle to kill some one using it as an assault weapon.
Setting up a machine gun limits your field of view to whats in front of you.
On the other hand--If you walk into the sights of a machine gun that IS set up, you DONT get out alive. Period.

What I wouldn't give for a simple MG34 or MG42 for some real suppressive fire!

**Joebar** · 07-17-2006 04:21 PM

There ought to be a TG rule against it just like bunny hopping. It's the same thing -- but in the opposite direction... Doing something random and unnatural to avoid enemy fire.

I'm pretty sure no real soldier would just drop to the ground in the middle of the road when face to face with an enemy with a gun..

I'm frankly surprised by how many TG veterans use this "tactic".. I'm referring to assault, medic, and other non-support rifle kits here. Maybe the solution to someone diving at your feet is to jump over them and shoot em from behind..

**Kerostasis** · 07-17-2006 04:24 PM

Except that while rapidly proning and unproning like a Dolphin is permitted by the rules, jumping over them to get behind them is not. Go figure =/

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