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04-17-2009, 01:03 AM #1
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My apologies as a Commander
While I was commanding tonight, my EU/defence team on Fall of Berlin had a rough round. It has come to my attention that more than one squad-lead was considerably unhappy with my performance. While it was not my fault that we lost, it was my fault that we lost badly. I wish to apologize.
I should have done the following (or done better):
-Assigned the armor to a competent squad/kept the armor up
-Organized the squads in defence
-Given intel to the squad leaders so that they could make their own decisions
To the squad that complained about the supply drop at Crossroads three-quarters of the way through the round: I was attempting to keep our APC alive (if I recall correctly). I didn't realize that the enemy APC could use it against us. It was a bad decision notwithstanding.
To the squad leader who complained to me at the end of the round (I missed the name): for various tactical reasons, I wanted to hold Square and thought that the squads at Outpost could hold their own. I didn't realize the other squads were unaware of the enemy's presence at Outpost even though it was flared via IDS on the mini-map. Since the squads defending Outpost did not call for reinforcements I didn't notify anyone else. I am sorry if you felt that I wasn't doing my job. Unfortunately, the large part of the problem was that I had mostly given up at that point. I should've played the round through to the end.
To the other squad leaders: if there is something you wish me to do, do not hesitate to inform me in game or right here. Help me help you.
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04-17-2009, 01:28 AM #2
Re: My apologies as a Commander
I do not play bf2142, but I can tell you this. I play arma, a very large scale game where it takes up to an hour to go through a breifing and getting a coloum going. I myself have made mistakes leading my soldiers, with far worse repurcusions than losing a round in bf2142, a round in arma can take hours and sometimes the commanders screw it up. Everyone drops the ball, learn from your mistakes and move on. If your squad leads complain, just remember one vital thing: Remain calm. They are in the thick of it but more than likley the enemy is also! When you remain calm is sends signals to your soldiers to not panic because you have everything under control. Bad decisions are from panic, and panic comes from not being calm. I want you to command every single game you are able to, we NEED {!!!!!} commanders who have experiance. You will be a better commander through experiance and if you have ever watched BoB, never be a Lt.Dyke. Make a decision, wether it works or not is fate, just decide to do something. Not making decisions kills.
-|TG-Irr|Ghost02
PS: Don't listen to !@#! squad leaders, he doesn't have the whole picture.
PSS: Never give up ;D
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04-17-2009, 01:39 AM #3
Re: My apologies as a Commander
yeah pretty much BF2142 looks simple but has alot of small things that take time to learn..and look at the bright side since you play on TG servers th squads you command over actually follow your orders
it just takes practice


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04-17-2009, 02:03 AM #4
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Re: My apologies as a Commander
I wasnt there Umbra but to me it sounds like you could have done much worse.
I have never tried commander - not even in single player
too much pressure/responsibility
I have heard the expression " any commander is better than no commander " and I can honestly say thats untrue for a few commanders I have gamed under - but since I dont play commander I have no right to criticize others who are ( ok so maybe I whine too much if the commander talks too much but thats it ! )
Commander isnt an easy job and its usually taken for granted - when the team wins you dont always see others commend the commander, they all expect to be commended by the commander instead
The fact you are here typing about it means you care about doing a good job - thats all that matters in my book - the rest will come with time/practice
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04-17-2009, 02:32 AM #5
Re: My apologies as a Commander
Well from expierence.. Not going to lie but Fall of Berlin is a rough brutal map. I even at times, have had troubles. Really all you can do is learn from mistakes. I promise you I wasn't the master and neither was everyone when we started playing. We all had to learn.
For instance..
I'm a big Gunship guy.
But doing little mistakes made me die a lot so I learned.
Watched Videos
Asked people.
All you ever gotta do mate =)
Also this might help
Commander Duties By Zho
In your case,
Its always good to keep an APC alive. Sometimes I set it kinda farther back from the the APC if I think they have a easier chance to die.
Also another thing I do is I always tell people who are attacking how many people are at a flag they are attacking. Let them know which way they are coming from, numbers, Everything.
Its just learning.
Knowing how the maps work, the layout, and a best way to go about on the map.
Hopefully you will surely come back for some more! See you out in the battlefield=)
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04-17-2009, 02:35 AM #6
Re: My apologies as a Commander
You can either whine about a capout or learn from it. It looks like you're trying to learn from yours. Kudos to you for that.
You were working against some experienced TG squad leaders so don't feel too bad for losing. Things that would have made a difference with regard to your duties:
- RDX and APM the Outpost flag. If you take down an SL (a well-known TG name like Fubar or Daddy), blow your RDX 3 seconds after.
- Run sat-track *as soon as it's up*
- Spot as much as you can. Don't stop spotting, especially on squads that are doing something interesting.
- Tell your armor to pull back. You can't make people smart, but at least force them to do safe things like stay at least 50-80m from an enemy flag. The APC mortars have a long range.
- Watch for breakthroughs. TG SLs dislike sitting in one spot and chucking grenades. We like to make things happen -- a lone dot moving north of square usually turns into six dots 20m from Outpost flag. Keep a lookout for people being cute and direct your go-to squad to deal with them.Fight!
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04-17-2009, 02:59 AM #7
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Re: My apologies as a Commander
You came here to post about it, so you know it wasn't a good outcome, and that you might have been able to change things had you done something different. That alone shows that you got the right thought process to be taking the CO role.
We all make noob mistakes, all the time. I still make simple mistakes like forgetting what side I'm on before the round starts and planning a defense when on offense. Get back in that CO role and give it another shot. Don't be discouraged by mistakes, look at it this way. You're smart enough to realize you've made mistakes, that puts you leaps and bounds over many others.
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04-17-2009, 03:15 AM #8
Re: My apologies as a Commander
Umbra I know exactly how you are feeling as I am going through the phase of learning how to be an effective CO as well. As long as you are providing intel to your squads then you are doing fine. You should have seen me when I first started COing as a TG member. The task of commanding TG SL's scared me into silence which I'm sure pissed many of them off big time (luckily I wasn't on TS to hear the roars of hatred that I'm sure must have been coming from my team).

Anyway, keep practicing, CO as often as you can, ask for advice from any of the awesome people who are always willing to help, and most of all have fun!
I'll be sure to SL if I see you COing. Need to practice my Squad Leading big time!
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04-17-2009, 09:34 AM #9
Re: My apologies as a Commander
The main thing that comes out of your post is your unhappiness with people complaining at you in game. Indeed, I'm sure these complaints had a negative impact on your performance. When seasoned players start questioning your performance it does knock your confidence (especially if they do so in a condescending manner which can be done in the heat of battle), and that leads to more mistakes or unwillingness to do the job, which is a natural reaction.
I would say your commander skills are probably fine, you just need to build up some confidence with them, and be assured that you're doing the right thing. If you are sure you're doing that then failures are as much a fault of your team on the ground as they are yours and no one can legitimately blame you for those failures. Once you recognise that sometimes there's just nothing you can do to stop an enemy push or an enemy squad from obliterating two of yours then I think you'll realise that the performance of your team is not made or broken by your performance.
You were communicating, you cared about your team's performance, you knew what assets were valuable to your mission and you took umbrage to those who looked down on your performance. To me, that makes a fine commander. All that's left is to recognise that your team is not invincible: i.e orders that you give, no matter how important they are, will not always be successful. There are plenty of commanders, seasoned ones as well, who give me orders that would imply they thought my squad was invincible. In reality, they just gave me an order to give 6 tickets to the team for no purpose.
Finally, Fall of Berlin is a bad map to command on in my opinion. Basically the commander's job is limited to stopping any breakthroughs from crossroads. Once a breakthrough occurs, its pretty much downhill from there on EU. Outpost is vulnerable, and as you have no uncap you're liable to be killed which doesn't help.
Keep at it. And welcome to the forums & TG.Last edited by LogicalHarm; 04-17-2009 at 10:18 AM.
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