Exeception to the Tking rule?

**Adaxa** · 12-06-2007, 09:53 PM

I'm not really sure how this will be reacted to, but it's an interesting question.

A few minutes ago, I was playing on the TG conquest server. I was killed (pwned) by a tank, but respawned right next to my squad leader, who was next to the tank. Anticipating that the tank would still be there, I spawned as a recon with RDX. I quickly laid all of my RDX while my squad leader was still right next to the tank, and blew it up.

He was understanding enough to forgive, but there are two points I would like to mention.

1. Yes, I know I could have warned him, and the TK was done "on purpose"
2. However, there wasn't enough time, and I need to destroy the tank before it moved.
Also, it managed to make the flag safe.
So my question is this: In cases like these, is it at least forgivable to TK for the greater good?

**Tempus** · 12-06-2007, 09:59 PM

No. That's considered a suicide tactic, and is not what we are trying to accomplish here at TG.

**Adaxa** · 12-06-2007, 10:05 PM

I forgot to mention that I ran away, but yes, I understand, and won't do it again. Thanks.

**Mordona** · 12-06-2007, 10:35 PM

Hello there and welcome to TG. It's good that you can come to terms and ask yourself if this is questionable or not. Although this is usally better handled in PM.

You must make exhaust all efforts to not harm anyone on your team including yourself. That also means holding fire until it's clear. There will be times where you TK someone by accident. I do it all to often driving over people with the hovertank(doesn't stop on a dime!). I happens but try and do everything within your power not to TK.

Lastly as I try and stress this to every player at TG, If you think something is questionable tactic. Don't do it and then come ask a admin in PMs and get it cleared first before you go and do it.

Thanks and enjoy your time on TG.

**MDFubar** · 12-07-2007, 07:39 AM

I would just like to say that, there is time before you respawn. You have VOIP. Before you spawn in, "SL I am going to come in recon and RDX the tank". The least you could have done is find the SL and takke his kit to revive him............LOL.

Eroak puts it best though, If you think something is questionable tactic. Don't do it

**nuckj** · 12-07-2007, 08:06 AM

Most likely your squad leader would not want you as recon attempting to RDX tanks anyways...

**Augustus Gloop** · 12-07-2007, 09:39 AM

I'm guessing his lack of time was caused by not having a mic. The length of time it takes to say "Clear the tank, RDX!" is less than it takes to lay the RDX, so I'm guessing he was going to have to type it. That said...

Don't tk. Even if you have to take a death yourself, don't tk if you can help it. Even if you risk letting the tank go on to wreak havoc, don't tk your squadleader, who is already doing a service to the squad by providing direction, and allowing you the joy of mayhem without the responsibility of worrying about others. Poor squadleader. Poor, poor squadleader.

**msdz** · 12-08-2007, 08:31 AM

Thing I hate when I accidently TK someone is they punish you instantly not giving any chance to say you are sorry and I have noticed not only myself but other team mates getting punished instantly. I mean they let you know when someone punished them for the TK they had just a second before. Most of the time I notice is when people get spam happy with grenades and just don't pay attention, especially in the choke hold points of certain maps. Enemy keep rushing towards you and you have grenades and ammo at your feet you just keep throwing and getting kills but then there is always the one dummy that thinks it best to push in and next thing you know they are blown to peices. You know we all have been there and we all feel the same about people punishing us to quickly, so my suggetion would be, do not punish the person UNLESS you get killed 2 times or more by the same person. I usually allow 2 forgives and then the 3rd is when I punish. Anybody else think this is good or should I do as a lot of other people do and just start punishing people right off the bat?

**Augustus Gloop** · 12-08-2007, 11:40 AM

Actually, on the TG server no one should be punishing anyone. It's a last resort function for someone who is deliberately tking, and no admin is around to stop them.

If you are tk'd, and you feel it was intentional, REPORT them. Why else do we have admins?

**Vortex421** · 12-08-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Adaxa

So my question is this: In cases like these, is it at least forgivable to TK for the greater good?

I've done recon with RDX before, blowing up armor and such. I'd rather that you and your SL clear the tank first - or wait for the tank to move on - and then detonate it. A lot of the time, situations like this happen because the trigger-man is afraid that he'll miss his window of opportunity.

But, to answer your question, while it is forgivable (on the basis of an individual) to do so, it is something that we do not allow unless, as Eroak has put it, you have exhausted all your efforts to not intentionally harm someone. Now, if you blew up the tank and were not consciously aware that there was another member of your squad there and blew them up along with the tank, then you're no longer guilty of an intentional and knowing TK.

Originally Posted by Eroak

I do it all to often driving over people with the hovertank(doesn't stop on a dime!). I happens but try and do everything within your power not to TK.

Yeah, while the "crunch" is a fun sound, it's more fun if it was made by an enemy body, not a teammate.

Originally Posted by Eroak

Lastly as I try and stress this to every player at TG, If you think something is questionable tactic. Don't do it and then come ask a admin in PMs and get it cleared first before you go and do it.

I'd like to submit that Lyramon in any sort of vehicle, including gunships, is a questionable tactic and should be discouraged.

**Mordona** · 12-08-2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Vortex421

I'd like to submit that Lyramon in any sort of vehicle, including gunships, is a questionable tactic and should be discouraged.

Squading with Lyramion is considered stat-padding your teamwork score and will get you banned if I find you in a squad with him. This issue is not open for debate.

**Augustus Gloop** · 12-08-2007, 12:51 PM

I love it when Eroak gets all commanding!

**Icehawk217** · 12-08-2007, 01:58 PM

Adaxa, i would say that if something like this happened where you needed to kill a tank, be an enigneer. In the time it took to lay RDX on the tank, you most likely could have gotten an easy 1 shot kill in the rear of the tank. This is also less likely to TK someone, since there antitank missile doesnt have an explosion radius.

Or possibly be an engy and shoot it from a distance, or grab a turret, RDXing is not usually the best way to go about tankbusting in general.

And for TKs, if accidental, make sure to check if the victim is a medic, so you can revive them. I usually do not punish people unless they make no effort to apologize or revive. Even then it is 50/50 call.

Originally Posted by Augustus Gloop

I love it when Eroak gets all commanding!

Oh you 3rd guys........