skullhedman

This is not an indictment of the TG guys at all. And the admins are doing a bang-up job.

Has anyone noticed a trend lately of players hopping on the server and just ignoring the TG ethos? I just spent three rounds on the server and not a single person was using VOIP, no one was communicating, the SL's were giving orders and then lone wolfing - not that it mattered, since the squad was doing what ever it wanted anyway. It just feels like people are hopping on and doing whatever they want.

The same thing happened yesterday. I hop on the server to record a few rounds and almost no one on the team I was on was practicing any teamwork ethics. (Those of you might remember the three straight rounds where one team was trounced by 140+ points in each round. The squads had to be randomized because it was becoming so bad.)

All I see on the server now are Snipers (not that they're anti-teamwork, but that the people playing them are). I just went an entire round without being revived, despite everyone in my squad being a medic. I'm seeing fighting commanders constantly. I try to warn them, and occasionally there aren't any admins online.

What's the best way to sort of "force" teamwork (as much as it can be forced)?

I'm not sure if this has ever happened before, and I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention.

(As an aside, I just spoke to Rage, and he's hopping on the server to speak up. It might not be like this when you guys get on, but as of right now, it's pretty bad.)

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Eroak

As long as we run a ranked server, it's going to happen. The more supporting members we have at one time, the less you'll see because of our reserved system.

There will always be them few that want a full server just to get points and earn thier medals. It's hard to call out who lonewolfs and who is following SL orders to flank. We can't just kick someone because they are not near thier squad. Hoppers are hoppers and many of them have that habbit. 90% of the servers out there allow this as a legit tactic. The most we can do, is educate the public on our ways. If they are willing to listen, we are willing to break thier habbits. If they are not willing, well I think you know what that means.

Overall, TG's way is not just about that tactics we employ, it's about strong community values. A big part of that value is teaching a mature way to play and guiding them on that path. We as admins have to ask the community as a whole to help guide those on our server to a strong value of mature play with peer players.

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ThePromQueen

Confront people who are not following TG rules (nicely) and report them if they continue to offend.

If you cant find teamwork, you can always create it too. Lead a squad and make the difference. Those rounds where we had to switch up the teams were easily balanced out by putting just a few people who would work together on the same side.

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skullhedman

I agree. Typically, I'm not going to say someone's lone wolfing if I see them with the squad 85% of the time, and occasionally they're somewhere else. I understand sometimes you accidentally spawn in the wrong place, or your squad moves off, and you didn't hear the order because you were in a firefight.

What irks me is when you spend the entire round on the opposite side of the map from your squad.

So, the general rule is, we TG guys have to step up and really push our style, right? That's the main reason I'm bringing this up, so that we can, as a community try to straighten these guys out.

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skullhedman

I tried. It was just painful with only me and Grimmfist on the server today. The SNIPERS squad was 6/6, the GHOST squad was 6/6, and then I start a TG squad, and I was the only one in it for the entire round.

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MDFubar

This did work very well. If you see something going on, you can try to tell remind that person of the server rules, then report them via chat if it persists. When the server gets crazy I usually find it better to SL and try to at least get one group doing it the right way. If it really gets bad, apply for CO, then you can communicate with each SL and they will communicate with thier SM's. Ask them to pull back, or remind them of the server rules.

"Squad 1, have your people pull back. Server rules say no UCB Camping"

"Squad 2, You have someone way off alone, please bring them back"

If you are an SL:

"SM******, why are you way over there, please regroup with the squad"

Etc, etc.

All we can do is lead the way, if they choose not to follow....well then they choose not to play in our yard.

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Arithea

My brain took all the asterisks in that post and inserted some choice words, at first. I was about to say something about it, but then I realized Fubar wasn't suggesting cursing violently at them.

It's really hard to deal with smacktards once you've found the TG way. I think we've all experienced these frustrations before.

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Augustus Gloop

In my opinion, THIS is what TG is about. It's certainly the hardest to pull off in the face of a server full of pubbies, but it is the most rewarding experience I have had here. Take a group of players who have never done anything but run wild, and give them a taste of cohesion. It's a drug that many of them will never be able to give up again.

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draeh

Biggest problem I've had is getting them to talk back. I just keep yacking, making spots, the usual. Eventually one or two others will begin talking and next thing you know, you have a functioning squad. Then all the TG questions roll in. Viola... a new batch of potential converts. Doesn't work every time, but you just keep trying.

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Augustus Gloop

Even if none of them talk, they should all be able to hear you. If they can't, or you can't get them to work with you, removing them from the squad will give someone else the chance to join.

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Vortex421

Well, I'm going to make it a point to frequent the server more in the evenings and take an active role as a SL. I feel partly responsible as I have been absent lately due to a crappy internet connection and due to work, but both are in the process of (again) being worked on, so I can devote a bit more time towards making a difference.

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Zhohar

Man, I love it when I'm alone on a team of pubbies. Seriously, you may think I'm nuts, but it really makes my evening.

No matter how little above average I can get these people by the end of the round, in contrast to what they were before, I feel like I've moved a mountain. I get all giggly like a little schoolgirl, and then I go hug bears and eat bubblegums.

Seriously. Admins are fine, but admins don't fix people. People fix people. TG people fix pubbies. If you've got a mic, make a squad and kick out all the TG people from it. Then, be patient and polite and you'll have a beatiful squad within minutes.

Works for me, every time. And it has worked many times, more than I can count.

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Modkaman

I was on during that time and it did get pretty bad, I was on the team that was getting raped...violently. I don't recall how many sniper head shots I took but without a doubt I was killed by sniper shots more than I have ever been.

I think some of us just need to step up. In fact, I'm going to start SL'ing a lot more from here on out. I just might SL all the time. I don't know how many times I've waited until the last second before a round starts to see a squad with TG members, that wasn't locked, get started so I could join it.

Vortex421

Modka - kudos to you for standing up and wanting to lead!

I admit that I'm lazy sometimes, joining squads when they form - though part of that is the sheer frustration that I encounter sometimes when SLing. But I firmly believe that leadership is something that can only truly be done, and be done well, through volunteering to lead. The greatest leaders often are those who did not want to lead, but were placed in the position of leadership because they saw it needed to be done.

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skullhedman

I was running squads for a few rounds tonight, and I had some pretty good responses. Of course, starting a squad called "Teamwork" or "VOIP" will always work. But once you start talking over VOIP with people in the squad, and some of them are in clans - they'll start responding back.

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