Guardianx11x

Second off Takk, I am like the 3rd's sexy yet emotionally unavailable rockstar. Crux made a good post, study it. I just wanted to add that how you act definatly counts. When all is said and done, this is a game. It is important you stay positive with your squad and make choices when there are choices to be made. Part of the battle is making sure your squadmember percieve that they are making a difference. Tell them "we are the only squad doing the right thing" blah blah blah. I basically treat my SM's like they are hopelessly insecure women waiting for my validation (If you've ever been in "KinkyLuv", "SexyLuv" or "DirtyLuv squads you know this). I find that if you try to create a playful atmosphere for your SM's they really give you their all.

That being said, if there is a stray lamb it is helpful if you have some really cool saying like--like this one I stole from Crux-- "hey ________, I told everyone to ________. If english isn't your first language let me know". And hey, if they want to be jerks and leave you're squad. Fine, good SM's are a dime a dozen on the TG server anyways, nothing to get vexed over.

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Takk

#1 My mic was working fine..this was not the problem.

#2 I understand that as SL people will see it as my mistake...which has been so politely pointed out. However, looking back, I don't think I was doing too bad of a job. I was letting the squad know what I wanted. I was giving them positive feedback. I know several times I said "Good job squad." and "We made it past but they cut us off. We'll do it next time."

#3 I have been a Squad Member for some really horrible Squad Leaders. However, I was right there behind them shooting it out anyway. The thought to jump squad never crossed my mind...and I guess it just boggles me that it would cross other people's mind.

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Reaperassault

when I first started SLing I was a bit timid but I understood quickly that confidence is needed, even if its just you be confident in your decisions but don't be stubborn. don't try and beat the team with the same moves every time, they will adapt and so should you. if people arn't listening or responding tell them that and make them do what you want or boot them from the squad and get some fresh meat shields in there.

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Superfast

You need more sex appeal

Maybe it was just a bad round? Attacking on Fall of Berlin isn't the best map to try to SL on for the first time. People tend to give up and go off sniping or try other squads until the pain is over. I've seen it happen lots of times.

And don't feel down because of just this one time. Keep trying! Choose another map next time and play more, you'll see, you'll soon become a better SL then even grumply old Zohar

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Rasta-GR

Come on Zhohar!

SL is a decision maker and dictates the plan. SL is also a communicator. The squad executes the SL plan. If the squad is not winning, there are three cases:

1. SL decisions and plan was poor
2. SL communications was poor
3. Squad execution was poor

SL decisions, plan and comms has nothing to do with the execution part.
It is a SL fault when case 1 or 2 is true
It is a squad (SL included) fault when case 3 is true.

SL is accountable for his plan and decision making. So how you tell it's only SL responsibility to win? In my opinion the entire squad is responsible to win.
SL mission is to lead the entire squad to victory. You still have to separate the plan from execution, when you evaluate SL performance.

A TG oriented SM should not leave a squad just because execution was poor. Where is our maturity and ethos?

How mature is to leave your squad because you are been killed all the time?

Try to assess the situation first. Is this a SL bad decision? Is this a bad plan? Or is SL communications poor?

As others pointed before me, try to talk to your SMs (or to your SL) and advise / suggest / say your opinion.

And do not forget to evaluate your squad execution performance. You are a part of it.

On the spot Pfeil!

I have experienced this too. I believe some TG's leave squads because they seek points and ranks, or they may seek some more "action".

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IOWarrior

The squad I enjoy being in the most is when MDFubar is squad leader. I suggest if there's ever an open slot to take it and see what he does. Every map we played while he was squad leader he seemed to be able to put us in the perfect spot to assault, cap a flag, defend etc... Maybe he was just having a good day but I learned some great tactics from his squad leading.

I try to squad lead and command as much as I can. I'm not that great of a squad leader and I'm a mediocre commander at most. However, there's some people out there who will give great advice while I'm leading and most of the time I will give it a try. It's when people wait until the end of the match and whine about the decisions I made as a commander/SL. This shouldn't be happening but I see it happening rather often lately.

A lot of TG will offer advice during the match and for those that do, it's highly appreciated and I thank you. However, for those that don't, if there's something going wrong with the match, instead of waiting until the end, offer the advice before the match is over. I'm not seeing this just from the new TG but from a several of the older TGers as well. Those with the experience should be sharing it instead of pummeling people with doing a bad job.

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MDFubar

Thanx Warrior.

The bottom line in my opinion is that:

A. We should not leave a squad until the match is over, set the example.

B. If the SL is not doing the job you think, offer an opinion or suggestion.

C. If I am in a squad as SM(which isn't often just out of preference), I will stay as long as there is communication.

D. We are all here to have fun, promote MATURE and TACTICAL game play......think about that before you jump from a squad. Is it really tactical to leave a squad in the middle of a round?

I have been with some bad SL's too, I don't leave them......I do watch to see what they are doing that annoys me and make notes. I too have had Sm's leave my squads, I just push on and make do with the ones that stay. Nobody makes good decisions all the time and some people just put on these tags because they are members of the forums or they like the server, not because they really believe in what we do as a community.

We have practice tonight, but i'll be on around 7pm. beforehand and will glaldy sm under you. See you later!

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DaBrit

I'll own up and say that I've done this before. My reason's generally have nothing to do with the squad leader themselves, however on weeks when I have exams, I can usually only play 1 or 2 rounds of 2142 a night, and those are my study breaks. I want these rounds to go as well as possible, and if the round hasn't been started that long, and a 9th member starts a squad and invites me into it, well, I'm probably going to leave the squad I'm in and go join them. I'll feel a little bad about it, but I know that I'm not hurting the team any, and I also know I will get much greater enjoyment and relaxation playing my one or two rounds with members from my IHS.

I don't think I've done this with you, Takk, as my squad leader, but here is one reason somebody will switch squads after a round has started. Maybe it's not the most polite thing to do, and from now on I'll try to let the SL know before jumping, but my enjoyment is always a factor when I play games.

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Arithea

I'm going to have to second one person's opinion on this one (don't recall whose it was) and say that it might be a good idea to PM the non-pubbies involved and let them know that you're offended. I can understand why you would be; I've had squad members clear out en masse before, as well. It might just be that they didn't realize you'd be offended by that and talking to them about it in a non-public arena could cause them to be more polite in the future.

I think everyone else has covered some good points, too--this thread has some very good advice in it for all new SLs. I'll keep an eye out for you on the TG servers; I'd like to squad with you sometime.

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MDFubar

Taking into account what DaBrit just stated, ask yourself a question. Don't take this personally DaBrit, nor anyone.

We had a discussion in another thread about asking someone to kick a member for another and decided that was not the thing to do, this is the same action.

Leaving a formed squad once the battle has begun is no less an action than kicking someone for a friend or another IHS member. Last night someone offered to leave my squad so that an 21ST member could join, although I like squading with my 21st members, I told this personto stay and fight with my squad. They took the time to join it, I am sure as hell gonna keep them.
If someone took the time to form a squad and SL(or try) and you join thier squad....well you should intend on staying. Again, just my opinion.

DaBrit, thanks for being honest in the fact that you have done so.......that means a lot!

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Shurikane

I don't need to switch squads much on TG, though my prime reason for leaving is often lack of orders. If the guy can't be assed to do something as simple as place an order and keep it up to date, then I'd rather fight elsewhere. Even when I am completely alone, I always place an order to let my CO know what the hell I'm doing. On occasions, my CO will even place orders for me if he sees me heading somewhere but not in a position to effectively point at the flag icon (i.e.: I'm in a Jeep, or in a walker and the flag's uphill, etc.)

Overall, I tend to gravitate towards squads led by a TG member, for the simple reason that most TG SLs actually talk. They let me know of what they need and where they are going. They are consistent. Pretty much every other squad I've been in has been dead silent for the most part - if I don't see a TG tag, the guy's essentially mute. I don't care about that so much on pub servers since I can usually do fine on my own, but when you're fighting on TG and notice the IHS are all squadded up in the opposing team, lack of a mike is mortal, and at this point, I try to survive for as long as I can while entertaining the futile hope of a miracle. In situations like these, I'd rather just make my own squad, even if it means playing on my own, than be part of a squad that has no communication and no coordination. If anything, I prefer to die on my own responsibility than from following a squad I'm not exactly sure of what it's doing...

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Reaperassault

wow I can't remember the last time I had enough time to keep up with putting those silly order makers down

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DaBrit

You mean spanky doesn't do it for you?

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Lorax74

I forget to post orders now as well.

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Reaperassault

Spanky does everything for me. she loves me.

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