TOOmuchMcLovin

Ok so i'm just playing in the server and someone accuses me of being in the ucb spawn camping.

First I'd like that person to speak up HERE. Then I'm gonna post the battlecorder clip to prove i wasn't. This person ripped on me for wearing the tag and not following the rules in the open on the server making me look like a #$!@#.

I was here

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/attachm...1&d=1204260071


Is that considered UCB?

Could we possibly have some clarification as to how far out, in the case MINES and rockets, can be used from ucb center?

--Added from responses for clarification-- Was not alone, squad was directly across the street in the alley. I was setting mines when a walker came in front of me, i ducked on that corner, where the circle is, the south wall was against me, no line of site of the UCB, I'd already laid emps, then got against the south facing wall of the circle. Fired a rocket at the walker above me, and died.

and fyi, i'll go for the alley to the west as a boundry...but my request would be 2 things, tg members talkin smack like that? How am i supposed to defend myself other than get mad in game chat. I mean seriously now tg peeps who were on the opposite team are thinking i'm a bad member... and i'd rather not get into a pissing contest to defend myself in game...what am i supposed to do?

2nd thing I would ask, is a clear grid outline of whats considered ucb zone,, Maps like above? I would think lacking line of site would be constitute not attacking or being within so that I can simply point and say no I was HERE not inside this zone.

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TOOmuchMcLovin

it was someone from 8th or 3rd I didn't recongnize them as someone i normally play with so cant be more specific.

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Razcsak

That's pretty close for my comfort, but I'd recommend you post this in the forum specifically for communicating with admins. Were you in my squad, I'd probably ask you to at least pull back.

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TOOmuchMcLovin

thank you for the input :P

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machowner

I would say that you are extremely close, if not inside of, the UCB. There is really no reason to push that far ahead, your just asking for trouble, like in this instance. I'm not an admin, but from my experience they usually err on the side of the UCB. The UCB have very clear rules, you cannot attack anyone there, fire rockets into the UCB and kill anyone who was not shooting at you and you just broke the rule. Good idea just to stay away from the UCB's unless your a sniper with rdx.

Also you probably should have thrown this into the admin section, no sense in calling anyone out in public. Whoever called you out should have let an admin handle it, just as you should.

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DaBrit

I'd say that is too close.

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MasterEditorInChief

If you go past the building you were situated at, I consider it UCB camping on Berlin. A good rule of thumb is to stay at least 50 m away from the UCB flag, give or take. Since Berlin is such a cramped map, the PAC UCB is a lot smaller than on other maps. If you see people spawning around you as you're attacking, be wary of where you're at.

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Damonte

If anyone in Damonte's squad was ever that close to the UCB, he would order them to fall back to at least the alleyway to the west. There is no reason for an EU soldier to be that close to the PAC uncap.

When it comes to the UCB, always err on the side of caution.

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Zhohar

Why would you be there in the first place? What kind of tactical advantage could you produce by being there? How are you helping your squad and your team by being that far in enemy territory, completely alone?

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big-eye101

I actually tell my SM to fall back if there are there. The postions you marked green are ok but not closer IMO. But talk to an admin - they sure know

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TOOmuchMcLovin

Was not alone, squad was directly across the street in the alley. I was setting mines when a walker came in front of me, i ducked on that corner, where the circle is, the south wall was against me, no line of site of the UCB, I'd already laid emps, then got against the south facing wall of the circle. Fired a rocket at the walker above me, and died.

added info to first post in the thread

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TOOmuchMcLovin

I've already taken the advise about using that ally west as a line, but, just for my information....as an admin would you ban me for that?

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Damonte

From an admin standpoint, you would not recieve a ban for merely standing at that position. Nor would you recieve one for placing mines on that corner. However, it would be very suspicious and an admin would most likely be keeping an eye on you.

Besides, admins would most likely warn or kick before executing a ban.

In Damonte's personal opinion, it's very unsporting to be placing mines on that corner. It effectively locks armor into the uncap with nowhere to go. Another thing to consider is that as a TG tagged individual, you will set an example for those who are not TG. If they see TG tagged people moving up close to the uncap and placing mines, they might go the extra step and start engaging the uncap, spawn camping, shooting pilum's at enemy armor or... gasp... vehicle stealing!

These potential issues can be nicely avoided by giving the uncap a comfortable buffer and allowing the PAC team a fair chance. This makes the game more enjoyable for everyone.

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machowner

Damonte makes a good point, no one likes to be stuck in the back of the UCB. It doesn't make for a fun game at all. I remember discussions in POE and PR about mining the only way out of a UCB and if I remember correctly, it was considered UCB camping.

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Ferris Bueller

Mach is right. We had a huge discussion about this over in the PR forum. We have a map called Fools Road, in which the british team has their UCB located on the far side of a river way down in the corner of the map. The only way out of the UCB is across one bridge, then driving down a corridor with steep wooded mountains on either side. Infantry can easily get up there with anti-tank weapons and smoke anything that leaves. Infantry can post snipers up there and pick off any troops that come out.

The debate was long and hard and we finally came to the conclusion that if you are blocking the only means of escape from a UCB and it isnt in play, then you're UCB camping. As such, we set a defined perimeter and set of rules for enemy forces moving around the british UCB.

However, the biggest thing that we gained from this is the fact that if you're close enough to a UCB that you have to question whether or not you're too close, YOU ARE.

Best to err on the side of caution. If you have a specific mission, such as going in to blow assets, thats permitted. If someone fires on you, you can return fire. But you cant go in to destroy assets and just start picking off anyone you see. Also, people need to keep in mind that standing inside the UCB and firing out doesnt make you safe. If you fire from the UCB, you're fair game to whomever you shot at.

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