SharinganTH1422

When I get my new system in the Summer, I'm planning to get FF0W (hopefully it will be a bit more fixed), C0D4, Crysis (hopefully Obsidian Edge mod will be out, fingers crossed they'll be able to do the job and they don't cancel it, because Crytek are being really dumb about not releasing any new SDK's), ArmA and Gears of War (also considering a whole other bunch of games like Supreme Commander, but those are the FPS ones).

Edit: but obviously I'll be staying with you 2142 guys, new games can come and go, but this will always be the game .

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Thesleeper01

It is Codies that were pulling the strings decideing what was in and out for OFP1 and in OFP2 it's the same people holding the reings. It's the exact same producers as for OFP1 it's just that they will be programing it as well & codies do know how to program well.

Anything on a 360 + PC is dumbed down & sucks? you mean games like Assassin's Creed, Timeshift, Rainbow Six Las Vegas, Rainbow Six Las Vegas 2, CoD2, CoD3, CoD4, Mass Effect, Hitman Blood Money, Kane & Lynch Dead Men, Gears of War, BF2, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion & many many many many others?

SharinganTH1422

...Halo...

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If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same...

Uranium - 235

You can't be serious. Could you have picked a worse list? Rainbow Six Vegas? Did you even know Rainbow Six existed before the Xbox? I doubt it.

Hell, the entire reason Mass Effect had guns was because the Xbox crowd wouldn't have bought it if it didn't.

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pred011586

I miss the days when Rogue Spear was popular! Bunkers was my favorite map.

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Sir. AAK625

BF3 is in production.

Will play 2142 and Heroes until its release.

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Bobslovski

Im getting into CoD4 now i have had it for a while but really enjoying the S&D scrims we are having recently, only playing a bit of clan mod and ESL matches for bf .
Cod4 isnt an amazing game 99% of public servers are spammy and crap, but 16 player S&D is great fun.

But BF3 is the game i am really looking forward too.

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Thesleeper01

What worse list? You gotta be joking me most of those games were hits many of them were BIG hits both on PC and Xbox 360. If you don’t like them that’s fine but most people don’t agree with you. And as to the gun comment I gotta say it is the most bizarre comment from ya yet if 2142 or many of the other games we play did not have guns no one would have bought them. I mean seriously how would you make a game that pits a character you can make a bad ass and a murder if you cannot use guns? Many of the people that have an Xbox 360 also have a PC, so it’s the same crowd.

watersun

I'm looking foward to bf3. What to you think it will be like?

Uranium - 235

They weren't nearly as big on the PC as they were on the 360, and I asserted that Xbox games were dumbed-down, not that they weren't popular. Popularity has nothing to do with being good, especially since the entire reasons console games are dumbed down is to appeal to the moron 'frat-boy' crowd. This crowd never gave a damn about gaming before, and only enjoy it now because Moose and Knuckles, who think installing a game on a PC is "too much work" and who've never played a video game made before 2004, can play a game with graphics, explosions, and no story line (because to the Xbox crowd, "books r 4 nerdz"). They just like the ADD nature of an endless slew of shooters over and over, as they're about as intellectual deep as a Die Hard movie. Even Mass Effect had to be a shooter to sell copies on the Xbox.

You're basically comparing the popularity of games for real gamers, vs. games for casual gamers. The games you listed are laughable.

Remember that Britney Spears and mullets were popular too.

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chairlord

*scratches head*

This is one of the strangest sweeping generalisations I've seen. The entire reason it had guns is because if it didn't no one would've bought it? Technically you're right, but only in as much as no one would've bought it because there wouldn't have been much of a game.

Firstly I suspect you've never played Mass Effect. Whilst a large proportion of the game is combat involving guns, a large proportion of any game these days involves combat, and all games have an element of conflict in them. You make it sound like there were other far better and more obvious game mechanics they should have used. What did you expect the developers to do?

"Right guys, we've developed a large free roaming story driven RPG with a strong combat element. But lets not use guns. They'll never expect that from a setting supposedly set in the far future. I think combining the power of assorted fruit and vegetable into one giant healthy eating mecha will be a real curve ball..."

Mass Effect is one of the finest RPG's I've had the pleasure of playing, but that's not entirely down to the hardware. Firstly the conversation system they developed really is a step forward for the genre. The plot is sublime, it forces you to make genuinely tough, morally ambiguous decisions. So to dismiss it as being another console shooter for "frat-boys" is just faintly ridiculous.

Well something being good is an entirely subjective viewpoint anyway. To say all console games are dumbed down would be like me saying all PC games require a doctorate in computer sciences to get full enjoyment from. Both statements are some way off a truth somewhere in the middle.

True, most of them didn't, and most of them are not the kind of people I want to play games with either. But let's be honest, without their dollars being pumped into the games industry it wouldn't have developed into the multi-billion dollar industry it is today. Like it or not, without their cash, some of the games you enjoy the most may have never been made. These cash-cow franchises allow some of the more innovative titles to be developed.

Installing a game isn't too much work. But since I've started playing 2142 I reckon I've spent easily a dozen hours or more, reading about fixes, getting the game to run best on my hardware, researching a plethora or different error messages and their associated solutions. That's time I would've much rather spent playing the game, and anyone that says they wouldn't have preferred their software to work straight out of the box is simply a liar. That's one of the things I love consoles for, that out of the box functionality.

I'm not sure if this is some sort of bizarre PC elitism or or what? But you are simply talking rubbish. Are you implying anyone that owns an XBox is a mentally challenged Neanderthal? Agreed the majority of people who I've played with on XBL fit this category, but so do the majority of PC gamers I've come across on servers other than TG.

Come on, there's not an endless slew of shooters on PC?! There's an endless slew of them everywhere these days. I too would love to see more cerebral games on XBox, an RTS game maybe. I'm personally a total sucker for all these management games (RollerCoaster Tycoon et al), but I know they simply don't do well on XBox mainly because of the control system. It's the interface that makes things difficult. I don't want to be buying an official XBox keyboard an mouse anytime soon either, I don't need any more ways for Mr Gates to pry open my wallet. The very accessibility of the system, the controller itself, somewhat hamstrings the console in this respect.

I also don't think these kind of titles are economically viable on a console at all. Microsoft makes money on every game sold on it's system in licensing and as far as I'm aware that's not the case in the PC market.

Again, your assertions about Mass Effect in particular are just wide of the mark.

What are these real gamers you speak of? I've been gaming on all sorts of platforms for well over 15 years now. Does that make me a real gamer? Or is there a gaming Illuminati that I'm not privy to? I have enjoyed many of the games listed by the previous poster, should I now be exiled?

Let's get this straight, mullets have never been popular. Just more common, no one ever liked having one, they just did because everyone else did.

Planetside always interested me, but unfortunately I never got a chance to play it. From what I've read though there was a good lot of "support" style roles which I always fancied. I've never been that great at the combat elements of online shooters but the idea of being able to be a pilot of a large transport with its own crew absolutely fascinated me, and is something I would dearly like to see in a future game.

Thesleeper01

I am not made of cottage cheese! I am a real gamer and I liked many of the games I listed and loved a few (almost) as much as my wife for some.

I have an Xbox 360 and my IQ did not drop after I got it. The majority of ALL games ever made have guns in them or if not guns then combat of some type.

You have made many bold sweeping generalizations of people that play the Xbox 360 & PC, can you provide solid proof that they are anything but your opinion?

By your same messed up logic 2142 only sold because it has guns in it. Clearly it is dumbed down for a frat boy crowd, clearly a war fought with no guns makes more sense I mean clearly we could have used grampas method from the Simpson’s when we want to cap a flag and someone is there, we could talk to them with long stories that go no where until the defenders get bored and give up. I envision this becoming a whole new type of gaming that will replace all games that use guns unless they are played on a Xbox 360.

~ I am Thesleeper01 and I endorse this message!

SharinganTH1422

Sig'd (to some effect)

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Anger is a gift - Malcolm X

...If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same...

Uranium - 235

You say that like it's a good thing... if anything the profit-driven success of dumbed-down consoles is KILLING gaming by encouraging recycling of franchises, old concepts, refusal to take risks and try something innovative, or target a game for anything that isn't the "biggest market".

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chairlord

Personally I don't think the number of truly innovative games is any more or any less than it was ten years ago, it's just that the amount of mediocre stuff has increased. But again, that's the case on all platforms.

Plus the production costs of a game have increased exponentially. We're talking teams of hundreds of programmers etc to make even the most average game now, so something has to pay the bills. If that's John Q Public then that's fine by me or we'd be paying hundreds of dollars per title these days.

To lay the blame for this process at the door of console gaming is just a bit lazy quite frankly. What you describe as "dumbed-down consoles" is actually the mark of corporatism and a mix of other business driven factors.

Your lack of any evidence coupled with this bizarre anti-console and anti-console owner attitude leads me to dismiss you as just another crackpot harking back for the good old days when gaming was "underground". Gaming hasn't been underground since the NES, and if you want to go further back than that I suggest you dig out your old Atari for a game of Pong.