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05-27-2008, 05:25 PM #1
The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
Hello everyone.
In the grand scheme of BF2142 and first person shooter games, I'm still quite new at it. As I rack up the hours playing I've noticed I'm improving in some areas of the game, as they say "practice makes perfect" Well I know I can't be perfect I just want to be better than I am at the present.
I've have heard over team speak some of the players will say, its not how many kills/deaths you get in the round and its not about Winning or losing, but having fun, and the spirit of the game, and I agree with that in the true nature that this is a game.
On the other side of it BF2142 keeps stats and it shows the highest scoring players and gives awards to those who attain certain goals. At the end of the round I'm sitting waiting to see how I did, some times I'm quite surprised that my score is above 30, and then I see I only had 1 or 2 kills that round and I did get awarded the Emergency Rescue Pin 1 to 3 times. but most of the time I'm usually lowest scoring team member in my squad, and to be perfectly honest with you there is no fun in that.
I'm a team player and I work for the Squad leader, the Squad and my other team mates, but there is nothing worst than to spawn in take 2 step and die just to have wait to be revive or re-spawn in on the Squad leader and have it happen all over again. As I see, when I join a squad or get invited to a squad I want to do my best, contribute to the over all objectives and be an effective squad member. Not being canon fodder for the other team.
With saying all that I've been doing some reading here on TG and trying to be a better shot and not die as often.
But there is something that I have notice more times than I can count when I'm faced off with another player such as rounding a corner, wall, stairwell, or a rock, I have my weapon at the ready I start shooting at him, and from what I see is that his weapon is pointing at the ground and he is firing, and he winds up killing me, and I started firing first. How does that happen, is it a ping issue? when should I start firing? Is my Aim all off?
I was thinking it was my aim being all off, I went into the control and re-adjusted the colour of my cross hairs hopefully that it sticks out more so I know that my aim is on target, right now I have it set as Red and Red=Enemy which they also show up as red, and hopefully cut down on Team Kills as well. I think I'm going to try Yellow next something that doesn't blend into the background and optically Yellow is more noticeable to the human eye.
So to all you Vets out there any tips, control configurations or insights you can pass on to all us that are looking to improve our Marksmanship would be greatly appreciated.
I do have say Thank you for letting me rant for a bit, this is my really first Forum entry and I did want it to have a positive outcome for everyone that might be (or have) experienced/ing the same issues that I have.
Cheers!!!
R.Stark AKA Bish
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05-27-2008, 08:46 PM #2
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
My advice is to use the Baur on single-shot. Take your time, aim for the head, and you'll learn to shoot in no time.
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05-27-2008, 09:41 PM #3
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
You can try to mess with the baur but that might get more frustrating when people w/ voss' and just unload a clip close quarters. Pretty much it has to do with reaction times, knowing how the gun will work on certain occasions, like when to burst (more distance for say the voss), when not to, when they both dont work and you just try to unload to get a kill. Do not worry about ping, it is something you cannot change so you have to adapt. However, it is not about who hits who, it is more about psychology. They just walk around following orders while you walk around to kill those mindless drones
. The majority of the kills you get are people that are not looking at you. Also, knowing positions and when enemies will come around corners so you can get free pk rocket/grenade kills. Hopefully you've read the thread on pk rockets or figured out how pk rockets can be used to. Then the crouching behind a box/wall where you are which is just priceless because they dont expect you, they fight you on your terms (gain free time to shoot them from their reaction time bout .2 secs), half your body is covered, and support needs to rev to become more accurate, y? idk. Then there are the tricks that you learn like when to come around corners because another your opponent is dead while someone is going to give a revive, when to cover a dead guy w/ a rocket/grenade to get the reviver too. When to hit prone to avoid the first shotgun shot even though it exposes your head badly. When not to recklessly go for the revive unless SL but ofc we all do this. The ability to hit 2 to get your pistol out when the guy is disoriented from the revive but you need to reload. Of course if all this fails, be an engie and control the walker/vehicles by staying back with your team to repair and for cover. Or go support, get an ids, and jes chill back throwing grenades or mowing ppl down with the auto shotgun. Ignoring the last two lines, hopefully this post will help you develop your tactical sense and skill but as you mentioned, having fun is the main priority.
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05-27-2008, 09:52 PM #4
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
stark,
first of all the stats thing. to me personaly the only one i care about is my kill death ratio. if i keep it above 2.0 i am happy. if it was at 1.0, that means i kill one guy and then die. both teams lose the same number of points and there is no change in the map. but, if i can kill 2 guys before i die my team will be ahead on tickets and i feel like i have made a difference.
and for accuracy. head shots always do more damage regardless of the weapon used. and all the weapons have their strengths and weakness. if you meet a shotgun toting enemy in a hallway at close range, you can just about kiss it goodbye. posture affects accuracy and dont forget, especially here at TG, this is a team game so you may be getting hit by someone you dont see.
keep working on it man.and your very flesh shall be a great poem
w.whitman
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05-27-2008, 10:35 PM #5
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
well first i have my crosshairs on like reallllly light blue like the color cyan. and when you are you see a guy around a corner first thing u do is start shooting at him preferably with a scope (it really depends on how close you are) and while ur shooting just crouch. and if i go medic on PAC i always use krylov and when im on EU i just go voss. and i go bianchi lmg if im support
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05-27-2008, 10:50 PM #6
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
yeah Stark, you have every right to be asking the questions you do. It truly is no fun to fall in the bottom of the ladder, and on top of that possibly take home a defeat for your team and end up as the lowest scoring squad. Sometimes, it just happens. Other times, it's because of your specific squad role (ie. engineers aren't going to top the Assault Medics). Still other times it is because of squad-play.
"It's not the score or K/D ratio that matters, but the squad's performance." Especially to players who haven't reached the highest promotion grade, score is a sensitive topic. Yes, teamplay is the whole goal of playing in a squad and working as a team. Part of teamplay is sacrificing yourself for the group. This shouldn't, however, erase the ability for players to go respectfully against an SL's decisions if they are foolhardy and/or go lone-wolf at times. And SMs have every right to get tired or annoyed of an SL's decisions and commanding. I mean, not everyone has reached the nice silver stars and the point where score does nothing in the game.
I will say that when SLing, we may not always be thinking about an individual. Sometimes commands we give can be suicidal for the SMs, but in general we, or at least I, try not to give commands that are too ridiculous. (I personally try to lead from the front for more reasons than just a forward spawn point).
And what you said, Stark, about spawning on an SL and dieing immediately is so aggravating... that's why I try to be the SL. In all seriousness, I don't think SLs try to make SM meatshields... well, maybe (See Here)
With regard to not being able to kill 1v1, that depends on your weapon, the opponent's, and ping (also general skill, but I think you probably have that down). If you've got a Baur but he's got a voss, he'll probably take home the win unless you are exceptionally proficient with the baur... it's just a hard gun to use. The different gun combinations and the skill levels involved make a big impact on 1v1 kills.
Ping is a big, if not the biggest cause of this kind of frustration. Got ping of 100+? Chances are that anyone with 75- ping will win 1v1, it's just a bummer. Ping really makes a big difference where every second counts. I hardly ever get bad ping on TG servers, so I can't talk much, but I have played on servers with 130+ and I can tell you that the only gun to use is a support gun, and the only way to shoot in that situation is spray and pray.----------------------------------------
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05-28-2008, 01:53 AM #7
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
After looking at your stats it seems that you use assault a lot, usually that cannot be helped, it's what is normally needed.
The biggest thing I see right off is that I have about 2.2 times your in game time but you have over 3600 revives to my 2k revives. At your current rate you should have about 3600 X 2.2 = 7920 by the time you have my in game time so your doing about 4 times the revives I am. It is great your getting revives but you can not kill the enemy if your holding a defib in your hand. It’s always good to get revives but as a guess a lot of the people you revive die because again guessing you have not killed the enemy yet. Before you revive try to have a quick look for the enemy and kill him, often people will camp bodies waiting for the reviver, I know I do. Don’t take a long time for it but be as careful as you can before you open your-self to fire. And since you know he is near and he does not know you are you have the advantage.
Your accuracy is the second thing that I notice is very odd. Do you not take a knee almost every time you shoot? With the low accuracy I am guessing you fire from standing and don’t sight in. The accuracy gain from sighting in and taking a knee will help you win the fight even though that means that you need to wait a half a second longer to fire because doing that means that they are shooting at where your head/shoulders were and now there is nothing but empty air there meaning you get the drop on them. The only time you should not take a knee is if your behind tall cover.
If you see PK rockets coming your way move fast, PK’s can kill a large area.
You seem to have a lot better accuracy with the Baur then the Voss, as a guess you started with the Voss used it a long time and then switched to the Baur when you unlocked it a lot later. Because of that you have a lot of time added in where you were not nearly as skilled as you are now with the Voss and the Baur is all current skill. Keep that in mind when choosing weapons.
I like most use the Voss, in one on one’s I usually win most of the time. If you don’t use it now I would suggest switching back to it unless your on a real long range map.
When using a weapon you need to try to set up ranges to be best for you that means avoiding long open areas and coming around a corner close if you know a shot gunner is there. Stepping out coughed means your ready to fire sooner and you don’t set off AMP’s
If there’s a few enemies coming your way throw a grenade at a corner they need to go around to get to you and then train your sights on the corner/take a knee ready to shoot them if they come after you. If you see a bunch on the flag call “nadeing flag” or “grenades on flag” and throw 1-2 of those bad boys and watch the skin fly. Your accuracy with a grenade is the highest of any weapon you have used with a fair amount of usage. Because you only throw a few you have a very low KD ratio with them.
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05-28-2008, 02:01 AM #8
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
Stark,
I will look for you in game and try to squad up with you. Perhaps I can give you a hand.
I did play with you a bit tonight and noticed that you had the most HORRRIBLE luck when you spawned. (usually right in front of the enemy) As I was your SL at the time please realize that most of that was as much my fault as anyone elses....we were running at some very hot flags.
At any rate, I suggest giving the VOSS a rest and moving to the Krylov and Scar for a while. These are still pretty good weapons when you are in close but they have the added benefit of actually being able to do some damage when on single shot, or even better, when fire in tight controlled bursts.
Additionally I suggest playing a bit more on the defensive side of the equation. Are you using the mini-map often? Are you finding yourself operating in squads that don't utilize the OTIS and IDS? These can make a BIG difference in your k/d and accuracy rating. Knowing where the enemy is before he knows where you are is a HUGE advantage.
Also, have you learned the proper way to airburst a PK rocket over a targets head? That's a required skill it seems.
Hopefully I will see you on the server soon and hopefully I can help a bit instead of my usual "running wildly at the enemy with my squad in tow".

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05-28-2008, 02:47 AM #9
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
Stark, if you can join a squad that is a long range defensive squad, use those times to learn how to use the weapons properly- you'll learn fast which weapon suites the situation.



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05-28-2008, 03:02 AM #10
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Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
My world. Welcome to it.
It's not an aim issue. Even if I had really sloppy aim, this happens way too often with nub players for it to be him getting perfect headshots and me NOT doing it. It's a ping issue, coupled with the fact that with higher pings, bullets will go through enemies more frequently. I've gone 1v1 at point blank, Voss v Voss, I've started shooting first, I empty over 15 bullets at him, but I die in what appears to be two shots, and off he goes. I would recommend you stick with support, as I do. Firing a lot of bullets tends to mitigate this flaw in lousy netcode.
Oh and my crosshair is magenta
FYI score does matter, because not having 30+ unlocks really, really sucks, restricts your gameplay, even the maps you can play on. And score is the ONLY way to get them (well, NS aside). I despise the unlock system specifically because of this. Base it on map victories, being a top squad, or play time. NOT because I can go to a knife server and end the game with 350 points. A depressing but true fact. A guy with only support unlocked is worth far less than a Brigadier General with everything unlocked. You get flexibility which is absolutely necessary. Assault Medics might be great, but I find their weapons / abilities boring, and when I use rockets I just feel like a turd. Having flexibility can give you great advantage in maps, allowing you to get more life out of the game as well. Going Recon instead of Medic and set up booby traps for example.
The other thing is that several unlocks give you a very distinct advantage over other people. That's just the way it is, and the only way to close the gap between a guy who can sprint with heavy armor for two minutes, and your out of shape ass, is to whore your score as fast as possible.
People look down on stat padding, and I understand why, but I also sympathize with the guy who works 60-72 hours a week and only has four or five hours a week to invest into the game. How's he supposed to compete with the guy who has 7 more rockets than him? Who has Engineer weapons that vastly obsolete the defaults? Guns that do more damage and have better control? It's an uneven playing field, and point whoring is the ONLY way to even that up. Then that guy gets told his a noob and isn't allowed to have an opinion because he doesn't have 450+ hours in the game (*grumble grumble*)
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05-28-2008, 04:14 AM #11
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Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
Play single player with bots. Put them on stupid mode. Shoot every bot in site including teamates. Try scoped, unscoped, single, burst, full auto, crouched, standing, strafing, eating, and drunk.
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05-28-2008, 10:07 AM #12
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
not really about improving marksmanship,
but - I too used to be a stat watcher, but now don't bother -
my K/D is low at 0.9 but to keep my teamwork score high if I manage 30-50 teamwork, enjoy a good game and don't let my squad down, i'm quite happy
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05-28-2008, 12:11 PM #13
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
I want to expand on that.
K/D Ratio: The question is: Does the guy kill a lot of people without dying, himself? This gives me an appreciation at how good the guy is in an average live-fire situation. Of course, there's a whole ton of factors that can falsify the data - such as if he's a sniper trying to fight off a squad of 6 medics, or someone who sits in the Titan guns all day, or makes use of vehicles. But more often than not, it's a good first indication of the guy's fighting ability.
Score Per Minute: Next question: Is the guy active and helpful? We've seen that on TG. An assault-medic at the frontlines can get a massive SPM rating. This also applies to people who actually go out there and do something, even if they're not necessarily in the heat of battle. I ask myself questions should this rating fall below 1.
Accuracy: Question: Does the guy shoot well? Good indication of a person's combat ability. I love to see accuracy ratings above 30%. This tells me my teammate's shots will be on the mark. Depends on kit usage as always - an Assault is likely to have a very high accuracy, versus a pure support whose suppressive fire plays against him at first glance in the stats.
Vehicle Usage: Question: Is the guy good at using vehicles? Here, I'm looking for someone who's got a bit of time in every vehicle. This is mostly to figure out if he's a specialist at a particular vehicle (example: massive hours spent in a battlewalker that justify why the guy has an extremely high K/D ratio.)
Kit Usage: Question: Is the guy proficient at every kit? Say an Assault dies. An engineer picks up his kit and revives him with it. I don't want those two guys to be helpless after the exchange. They should be able to hold their own with any kit in any configuration, and a fair amount of time in each kit tells me he'll have a clue what to do.
Next, things to look for after a battle:
Total Squad Score: Does the squad work? A squad with good leadership and tactics will rack up tons of points without much effort, allowing even a good three-man squad to outkill and outscore an average six-man squad.
SL Success Points: Is the squad coherent? A squad with SL points has orders set up, and those orders are being followed. Case in point: during the Shockwave at Verdun, one SM of mine followed orders so well that he got himself fifty-five SL success points. That is a guy I can count on when it comes to getting the job done.
++Points & ++SL Success = Squad of experts, led by a SL who gives orders and keeps them up to date. The best squad to be in.
--Points & ++SL Success = Second best squad. You know you're under a good leadership and orders are being followed. Most likely, the lack of points are due to maintaining back flags, or simply being unlucky.
++Points & --SL Success = Usually caused by good SMs but without a given order from the SL. Also, more rarely, caused by SMs who are excellent lone wolves but are scattered all over the map.
--Points & --SL Success = No leadership and no attempt at cohesion. The squad is disorganized and the SMs keep running into certain-death situations. What happens when pubbie squads form. A very good lone wolf can sometimes contribute to the match more all by himself than a pubbie 4-man squad (and I speak by experience!)GOD IS DEAD. THE N00BS TEAMKILLED HIM.
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05-28-2008, 12:11 PM #14
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
As far as crosshairs, I like the color green. A bright green. Contrasts nicely with all the 2142 maps. Crouching gives you your best accuracy with the game engine (the whole deviation thing). Scoped improves that further. Try and get into the habit of crouching and scoping on a target at the same time. When rounding corners, do it crouched so you already have that advantage in an encounter. Do not hold down the trigger (spray and pray), but rather use bursts to keep the weapon deviation at its minumum. And as you said, practice practice practice.
For a rant, I give you a 10/10 on keeping it positive. Its one of the nicest rants I've read in a long time.
There you have it... my 0.02. Hope some of it helps.










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05-28-2008, 01:07 PM #15
Re: The Prefect Shot: How to improve your Markmanship
Stark, the best honest advice I can give you is this: find a pubbie server and focus on getting kills. Ignore revives completely and simply hunt people down.
We can't teach you experience and we can't teach you how to practice. If you're uncomfortable about not reviving on TG, pick a pubbie server, don't even join a squad and simply work on getting kills with a weapon. Get the odd revive, sure, but focus completely on hunting people down.
I don't say this lightly -- to ignore teamwork so easily -- but you have to realize that your gameplay is imbalanced and you need to swing it to the other extreme before you can find a proper balance in the middle.
You are focusing too much on the revives -- now take some time to focus on kills. Then you will find a balance between the two instinctively and your gameplay will benefit.
Most good players instinctively balance revives and shooting -- I can't tell you how I do it because I honestly don't know. It's just something you pick up with experience.
As for accuracy, don't worry about the exotic stuff like weapons or situational awareness -- just focus on instinctively crouching and scoping in at the same time. With time and many mistakes and failures you're going to learn the stuff Bomber and others are talking about. By the by, most of the things Bomber said -- pure experience. He's played the game a lot and his advice is the things he has figured out on his own. There really is no shortcut mate, I'm sorry -- you have to figure out 90% of the game on your own. Accuracy is definitely one of those things.
I think what you've instinctively done is realized that you suck at shooting and focused on revives -- which gave you a lot of points and more importantly made you a huge asset to the squad.
You have to get out of your comfort zone and ignore some revives. Focus on shooting. Get out there, and when you die, be PISSED OFF. Anger, especially anger aimed at yourself, is a very strong motivator. You can't not suck if you are a newbie. Everyone sucked. I sucked, a lot. Practice, experience, learn from your mistakes. Get into weird situations. Die. Die a lot. Die some more. Die however long it takes you to figure out what you're doing wrong. Die some more. Die a lot more. Keep dying and then die some more until you learn from those deaths.
The things people have written up there, the bits of wisdom that seem like common sense things? Like scope in, and crouch?
That has taken people thousands of deaths to figure out and make it an instinct like walking. Yeah, that sounds stupid, but people are stupid. I am stupid.
Everyone is stupid -- it takes a lot of mistakes to figure things out and you just can't skip the sucking part. You need to suck a lot and figure out on your own what the right thing is. If someone simply tells you how to become more accurate -- things what Bomber has said for example -- it'll seem common-sense and you won't pull it off right. Bomber learned those from many many many and many deaths. I figured out my advice from many many many long and painful deaths.
You just can't avoid experience. It can't be taught. You have to suck for as long as it takes you to figure out what the right thing to do is.Fight!
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