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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Camo rush to the flags doesn't work as often as you think, based on how frowned-upon most Recon players are on the TG servers. Most people don't even have Recon unlocks up to that point.

    The map is one of the first I played on 2142, and to this day, I still fricken hate it. Unless I have a number of field upgrades, I'll typically log off for the round when this map comes up.

    Infantry-Only, or otherwise.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Spulat View Post
    Camo rush to the flags doesn't work as often as you think, based on how frowned-upon most Recon players are on the TG servers. Most people don't even have Recon unlocks up to that point.
    WARNING: do NOT let this thread turn into (yet another) anti-recon or anti-sniper thread or I WILL lock it.



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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorax74 View Post
    WARNING: do NOT let this thread turn into (yet another) anti-recon or anti-sniper thread or I WILL lock it.
    Indeed.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    invis rush past defences with decoy is IMO the best way to break through

    by the way, south side of the road is one of the best ways thru, until now that is, because I'm telling everyone how to stop it
    one support guy with turrent can block that, especially if they also have IDS.
    I have started assigning one squad member just to this job


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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Exploding_Silver View Post
    by the way, south side of the road is one of the best ways thru, until now that is, because I'm telling everyone how to stop it
    one support guy with turrent can block that, especially if they also have IDS.
    I have started assigning one squad member just to this job

    You, sir, suck. The gun drone can stop a cloaked recon as well. Couple that with a sentry and the recon might as well just switch kits, s/he ain't gettin' through.



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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Call me insane, but I think the Inf-Only Fall o' Berlin is easier than with vehicles. So I say keep it.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Spulat View Post
    Camo rush to the flags doesn't work as often as you think, based on how frowned-upon most Recon players are on the TG servers. Most people don't even have Recon unlocks up to that point.

    The map is one of the first I played on 2142, and to this day, I still fricken hate it. Unless I have a number of field upgrades, I'll typically log off for the round when this map comes up.

    Infantry-Only, or otherwise.
    I'm going to regret spilling my secrets, but here goes:

    First of all Spulat -- camo rushes are not frowned upon. As others in the thread have stated, camo rushes on Berlin are pretty much the bread and butter of all SLs.

    Two -- unlocks are key on Berlin, yes, especially for the Squad Lead.

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    Breaking through is ... highly unlikely if:
    1. Without the extended camo and Ghost unlocks from Northern Strike. Both are essential -- no question about it.
    2. The other team has smart SLs like Silver etc.

    So, how do you fool a smart EU SL who is watching with all his intent for that lone red "cross" recon running camoed through the middle of the road?

    Well, for one and easy: use the ghost unlock. This wipes you off the Sat-Track, UAV, IDS, Otus, and even spotting. Awesome stuff, eh?

    But it's not quite enough.
    Sentries (like the one in Silver's screenshot) will lock onto you even if you're camo'd and ghosted. This is tricky -- stay behind cover and stay out of its line of fire. If need be, head a bit closer to the Crossroads flag, then loop back toward Roadblock, or just run North of the building between Roadblock and Crossroads.

    Even with all that -- camo makes a lot of noise. You need to wait and let your team get ahead of you. You need to let another squad or just random pubbies make noise and distract people like Silver, so that you can take advantage of his distraction.

    Make sure you're not the first guy running for Crossroads -- about 25 people are going to be looking at you, camo or not, you're going down, and fast too.

    Beyond that ... trick people. Trick smart people. They're expecting a sole recon SL, eh?
    Why don't you let your entire squad spawn ghosted and camo'd and run ahead of you?
    Soon as one breaks through, a smart EU SL will treat him like he is the PAC SL. But that's not the PAC SL -- that's one of your SMs. And there goes the smartest EU squad -- off on a wild goose chase.

    So what do you do? Conviniently exploit the confusion and tell everyone to spawn medics on you ... while you're alone on the Crossroads flag

    Trick smart people. Don't do what they're expecting you to do.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    If we're spilling secrets (that may no longer be secrets anyway...), a cloaked SL can get down the Northern Icewall without decloaking (you loose cloaking if you fall) IF you are careful and follow one of two paths down. The paths are close to the walls and take slow and steady footwork to make sure you stay on track.

    Once the cloaked SL gets down, sprint past everyone waiting at the bottom and either head directly towards Crossroads and have your squad spawn in behind the wall OR, better yet, sprint DOWN THE ROAD towards Roadblock, do NOT attempt to sprint down the narrow alley where that support and/or recon player is waiting. Utilize cover and make sure to recharge your sprint when you drop the decoy off at the top off the wall, before cloaking. If you get EMPed, wait for the EMP to wear off or you'll be nothing more than a glowing target.

    Multiple cloaked squad members do well behind the wall too... but you didn't hear it from me. Or, cloak to the vehicles at the bottom of the hill, have people spawn and head towards the flag as you sprint off down the road. Be dynamic and vary it up. Try something crazy and unorthodox and it just might work...



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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    I also enjoyed the "spawn on me but don't follow" tactic, but again, worked only when people listened and understood fully, which I couldn't always get.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    of course everything has its counter


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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Funny that recon carries that thing too

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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Berlin with vehicles is very balanced and winnable for either side. Without vehicles the EU has a HUGE advantage. That being said, I'd much rather see this replaced in the rotation with infantry-only Belgrade.
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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorax74 View Post
    ...a cloaked SL can get down the Northern Icewall without decloaking (you loose cloaking if you fall) IF you are careful and follow one of two paths down. The paths are close to the walls and take slow and steady footwork to make sure you stay on track.
    If you crouch while falling down the "Northern Icewall", you won't decloak.

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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    We played Belgrade without vehicles and it was very bland, not as dynamic as you might think. If memory serves, EU has a much easier progression flag to flag than PAC does allowing EU to lock PAC into their UCB.



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    Re: Removing infantry only Fall of Berlin map from the rotation

    If I look at Berlin with and without vehicles. I actually belive that it is most of the time pretty much the same.

    As allways in this game it depens on your team. If PAC is not that well organised it is extremely hard to make it to a flag. Not to mention even harder to hold a flag.

    My thought is that the key to success on this map (with OR without vehicles) is a very good commander. Giving intel, organising the team for simultaneous attacks and using the orbital strike to hold the enemy off an area to let your team advance is the way to win as PAC. As EU it is no difference. A commander that provides your team with constant intell of the enemy movement and asigning areas (north, middle, south) to specific squads is the way to win as EU.

    That is my oppinion for this map. So guys - go for commander and see what your team can do on this map
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