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Discussion: Battlefield 2142 / Battlefield 2142 - General Discussion - Worth Considering? - More and more lately I notice people calling out names on TS for bunny hopping.
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11-16-2008, 12:57 PM #1
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Worth Considering?
More and more lately I notice people calling out names on TS for bunny hopping. I am thinking sometimes people are calling these out a bit prematurely. A few weeks ago I was reported to admin on TS for one hop, which happened to be me trying to get over terrain for cover in a 27 on 1 (ok slightly exxagerated situation) while strafing backwards. Fortunately I was on TS and was like "HUH!" and had to deal with some snide remarks by the reporter, even after I tried to justify the single, solitary hop,about watching my jump button. Anyways. I am seeing a lot of times folks being reported for bunny hopping on one jump in a situation that could conceivably be terrain related.
I wonder if it is worth considering folks maybe try to give the jumper the benefit of the doubt the first time on a single hop, in questionable terrain, because by golly I don't always know precisely where that rock or bench is that I am trying to get over beside/behind me. I dunno, I may just be too layed back, but some folks just have a twitchy trigger finger when it comes to reporting bunny hopping. Someone boinging along like tigger, yeah that seems pretty cut and dry, but a single jump in rugged terrain, eh, not so cut and dry.
(Chuckles) Of course that is only the opinion of a simple redneck. Take it for what it is worth.
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11-16-2008, 02:01 PM #2
Re: Worth Considering?
Your point is valid and definitely understandable, Spur. I guess it depends on whether or not the person who is making the call catches the fact that it's terrain-related. I've made a call or two where it turned out to be terrain-related and I facepalmed myself afterwards for making a bad call.
This is why I use my own rule of thumb for calling it out - in general I give them the first hop free. If I see a second hop, it gets called. Now, if a person hops once and then I catch them doing it again later in the same round I'll report it (the odds of encountering the same person in the same set of circumstances where they are hopping for terrain are very low).
Most importantly, the severity of the hopping determines where I make the call. Most bunnyhopping I type in game. Only if it's egregious (person is jumping like a rabbit on speed) will I call it in TS. I'd rather save reporting major things (suicide tactics, UCB killing, etc.) for TS and relegate the more minor points to in-game chat.
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11-16-2008, 06:14 PM #3
Re: Worth Considering?
I always give a person the benefit of the doubt on a single hop. When a person wearing the |TG| tag is hopping like a fool while reloading their weapon you can be dead certain I'm going to bring it up in TS.
No, I'm not talking about Spur.
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11-17-2008, 10:39 AM #4
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Re: Worth Considering?
My biggest beef is the following. Enemy has their back to me, I have an eng kit, bring out the peashooter and start shooting. They hop left or right, turning and come down and shotgun blast to the head or put two in the head with the Voss. There is no way I let that one go...
They were dead to rights and used the hop to evade someone with tactical advantage.Without darkness, how could we measure the light?
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11-17-2008, 11:29 AM #5
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Re: Worth Considering?
I agree that sometimes the bunnyhop callouts are a little quick and too extreme. I myself was called out in TS a month or two ago, for a single jump. I had just jumped up a slight ledge, and right as I landed, an enemy popped around the corner, scared the bejeezus out of me and I twitched, hitting the jump button again. I shot a couple rounds, then let off the trigger and let myself be killed. Yeah, technically the second hop was bunnyhopping, and I knew it, so I gave myself up. I was extremely surprised to INSTANTLY hear my name called out over TS. My only response was, "Whatever." Nothing ever came of the report.
I tend to give the other player the benefit of the doubt. One hop here and there is going to happen. It's pretty easy to bang the jump button if you're not careful, and in game, we all get wired up and jittery at times. If in one instance a player jumps two or more times, or I catch the same player jumping on different occasions, I will report them.|TG-55| Infantry Division - Captain
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11-17-2008, 12:11 PM #6
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To me a true bunny hopper is reloading and hopping like crazy. When I first came to TG it was a hard habit to stop but it was a fast fix cause i don't go up against it anymore. If I was doing that thankless chore of baby sitting ,which I had to do when I ran a server I would wait for a couple reports of infractions before taking any action. And we didn't allow it either,we had pretty much had the same rules as you guys.But with COD it all dryed up and here I am a dye hard 2142 freak who has to use a walker to get around the map,By walker I mean the ones old people use,but mine has a beer holder...
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11-17-2008, 01:41 PM #7
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Re: Worth Considering?
Bunnyhopping isn't what someone feels it should be, it is what is defined in the 2142 SOP/primer.
With that said, bunnyhopping is something TG is very sensitive to for a lot of reasons. One of them being the large range of skillset on that server, and the other is simply the pubbies that come around. ESPECIALLY later at night. No one enjoys experiencing compromised gameplay."But way back where I come from, we never mean to bother. We don't like to make our passions other peoples' concern." -Dar Williams
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11-17-2008, 04:31 PM #8
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I would have to agree with you Spur but I would have to agree with my 8th brother as the person calling out should let the first one go and if it continues then report. I've noticed lately alot of calling. I think I have maybe reported one person... I just like to make sure. I'm sorry for your unfortunate exp. Are you a closet bunny hopper j/k
C'mon you can tell us. :P No, seriously we do have to be more careful
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11-17-2008, 05:20 PM #9
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Just to clarify for everybody, I have no hard feelings and promptly forgot the situation as far as I was concerned. I merely used that as a real world example and I probably would have brought up the subject anyway had it not occured to me. I had the pleasure of being in a squad with an admin and someone who was booted for hopping, trying to resolve why he was booted. In the middle of a huge firefight, the chatter can be a bit annoying and distracting. I have since then seen a post or two on it as well as witnessed squad mates say "Hey he is hopping" when it could have been the bench beside him as he was strafing that he was trying to get over.
Basically, it just seems to be more frequent now then when I first started using teamspeak with TG.
Yes there are situations very obviously when a person is trying to use it for a tactical advantage that does not involve terrain. Nail the player, the rules are quite clear. Photo gave a good example. I think it is worth considering lightening up on the admins with the bunny hopping calls if there is some room for error and it is the first time you saw it. Maybe a "Keep on eye on spur, he may have a cotton tail" instead of phraisng it as a "reporting spur for being a jacka... err jackrabbit" (although I am in trouble if there is a rule for jacka...)
Just my own opinion of course
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11-17-2008, 06:24 PM #10
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I agree with you, once in Belgrade my squad was in a fire fight with another squad between Com Tower and Pond. I didn't notice that all but me in my squad had been killed until my SL ordered a retreat to reinforce Com Tower. Upon my retreat 6 guns open fire on me at once, the sheer volume of bullets and noise scared me rather traumatizingly and I banged on my jump button by mistake. I was thusly reported, but I was able to explain.
On a side note, the offense that some people take to others bunny hopping can be a little over the top. I know it's against server rules, but there's no reason to get so upset over it, especially to the point where that person is calling the accused less than desirable names.
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11-21-2008, 01:43 PM #11
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I try to cut people slack, and only report if their being really blatant. Hell I did it the other day and then stood still (in the middle of the road while defending Church) to take my punishment from a fellow TG member. Every now and then hoping happens to the best of us.
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11-21-2008, 03:41 PM #12
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I have run into the same thing and have some hard feelings. Thanks for bringing out in the open Spur.
Most of us here are mature so it would be nice, especially since we play every day together, if admins could give the regulars the benefit of the doubt and not boot them right away. What happened to warnings?
The other day I was up against a little kid. I was coming up the stairs and he was right in front of me as I reached the last step and blocking me. I was a sitting duck and couldn't go trough him so I jumped sideways onto the wall and shot him down. He promptly reported me for bunnyhopping and I was booted in 2 seconds. Congrats on the fast fingers admin, but I don't think that qualifies as bunnyhopping.
A week or so earlier I was accused of bunnyhopping when I was walking among one of those broken down walls that "catch your feet", if you know what I mean, and multiple enemies were shooting me and flanking me in open terrain around me. Would any reasonable person get their virtual feet stuck on that wall or jump out of it? I got the boot.
A day or two ago I reported someone after the third instance of bunnyhopping and it was refreshing to see the admin warn him first.
I adminned servers where admins could barely play because they had to ghost and witness infractions as they occurred. The reason being that the vast majority of people did not know the rules by heart or had the training to make a proper call. Can't we find some sort of middle ground here?
Since most of us are mature, work, have families, alot an hour or two to play the game we love with fellow TG members, I'm sure we all can appreciate what a disruption it is to have your gaming interrupted by a bad call or having to plead your case on the forum instead of a quick chat with a senior admin in a separate TS channel. Where I used to admin it was common for a senior admin to resolve disputes on the spot with both the offender and the kicking/banning admin present, or a witness, if the senior was the one dispensing the punishment.
I know your system is different and I respect that but I believe incorporating some of these aspects would improve our gaming and our relationships. I hope you'll at least consider it.
BTW, I also have a habit of jumping up stairs to move faster, whether someone is shooting at me or not. Should I be kicked for that? I don't think so and I hope not but the way things work around here right now all it takes is one guy calling it out and...I could be gone in 2 seconds. That is not fair.Last edited by Lusitano Louco; 11-21-2008 at 04:00 PM. Reason: Adding info and correcting mistake
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11-21-2008, 08:05 PM #13
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Re: Worth Considering?
Personally I find the "callouts" in TS to be annoying whether they are warranted or not.
Use chat - the muting you save may be your own..
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11-21-2008, 09:23 PM #14
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bunny hopping is a cheap tactic. but i won't call it,{in chat},unless its two or more jumps otherwise its buggy graphics. i mean really 2142 we can jump off a two story roof and run off, but don't try to run over railroad tracks....
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11-22-2008, 02:59 PM #15
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I usually report someone jumping out of my fire when it is because he is reloading. Even if it does not look like your vid. When I reload, if I cannot run out of the fire of ennemies I simply die. That's fair.
I agree that it should start with a warning unless someone is totally hoping around.
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