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11-25-2008, 01:53 AM #1
** Read Now **
2142 community,
I'm sorry to write such a message, but times are tough now and many of you know about some of the issues going on here today and yesterdays of TG. The community has lost members for many reasons, but we have also gained many valued members of TG that consist of the members we have today. I would be telling you a lie if I said there is such a community out there that didn't have issues. It's the nature of humans to be divided and diverse. We play here for the values of TG, the honor, respect, and the bonds of our fellow gamers. TG is here because of one man putting his time together with his fellow players. Getting the funds, resources, and most importantly the organization to foundate the ground of what TG is.
Some have forget what it means to be TG.
TG is most importantly about giving a place for mature gamers a place to play and unwind from the sorrows of everyday life. To forget who we are and become what we want here at TG. Following that, TG is about respect. Respect is difficult to understand. Respect is hard to earn. But, respect is easy to give. TG is about giving respect to every gamer, TG and non-TG alike. Every gamer deserves a chance to be free to play maturely in our virtual worlds of battle. Our last ideal is to use or convert real world tactics into our games and use them to our best ability. This means we don't exploit the game and become like every other unmoderated, uncontrolled, and unsafe server out there. We are respectful and keep our servers pristine of exploitation, unrealistic tactics, and those who will not follow our code of respect.
Our server has rules to be followed at all times. That comes to any player who chooses to play at TG and most of us reading this fully understand what that means. If you wish to use tactics that are not allowed here, you are more then welcome to join another server that allows it. You will not be looked down upon, no one should slander you for your choice or right to this. If you ware the TG tags or a supporting member, You are always bound to our code of conduct. You must always follow that server's rules and respect their community. Your are an ambassador of TG. Remember that.
There are things that and disrupt, destroy, and disrespect everything that TG has become. There are many that will do this with a conscious thought. They are easily identified and dealt with swiftly. The problem lies within ourselves that cause this disruption without the thought of the consequences of our actions. There are valued members here that have taken actions upon the community and members of the community that have disrupted our values of TG. I'm not talking about the "TG way" mumbo. I'm talking about downright respect.
I'm not the first to say it, and I will not be the last. This disruption stops here. Any player found to be in violation of the code of conduct will be dealt with. No player is above this law. This includes every member that posts here. It does not matter the tags you wear, the IHS you reside, the status bars under your avatar. You are respectful to all players at all times no matter where you go or what channels of communications you choose to use.
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There are other issues outside of respect of other players, but out of respect to TG and it's ways. We do not only respect our follow players, we also need to respect what TG is, was, and becomes. TG evolves every time a new player has joined our ranks, every time a player creates a new idea, every time a player fails our system. Our ways change. There is no simple way to tell one how to feel about TG. I cannot tell you how to feel. I cannot force you to like TG. I cannot force you to like any player. But I will ask you to respect it if you wish to stay here.
Going back to my first point, we have issues here that need to be dealt with. My first way to help resolve these issue is to make the community as a whole, aware there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. My next step is to educate you with the means to resolve. My last resort is to deal with these issue directly.
Contrary to what people think about me, I do not enjoy taking administrative actions upon people. Sometimes its necessary and I'll do what I must to preserve the community and its members. Now I feel it's time to bring information to you thats necessary for this community to continue forward with the values of TG as our guide.
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As I already addressed, respect is absolute at all times.
In-house squads may actively conduct recruitment measures as they see fit from any player not affiliated with another in-house squad (Irregulars are exempt from this.) In-house squads my conduct recruitment from other in-house squads only if they have the permission of all affiliated with the leadership of that squad. If you do not receive permission from the leadership, you are not to recruit from other in-house squads.
Threads and/or posts with issues of TG are to be kept private at all times. While your points might be valid and justified, not everyone will share your view. Bring it to the admins or management of TG before anything is done. Almost every issue can be resolved if you use the right channels and talk to the right people. Nonconstructive threads do not help TG reform or evolve, they only create disruption and that in turn isn't respectful to your fellow players. There are times for debate and mature discussion, lately this has not been the case.
We know of the server issues. Do you have a suggestion? We want to hear it in the contact an admin forum. Telling us how to spend money or which provider is better isn't constructive to the community. Again people do not share your views and can cause disruption. While we do wish to resolve the issue plaguing the server, arguing about them will not fix it. Bring ideas to the people who have the access to make changes, The TG management and admins (or Contact Tactical Gamer Administration forum and Contact an admin forum).
Censorship. Uranium was right when he said that TG isn't a democracy. It's owned by one person, Apophis. He pays the bills, rents the servers, and makes TG stay alive for you to use. Supporting membership does grant you special privileges that are listed. At no time does it say that you have a more important voice then any other player here at TG. Supporting-membership grants you:- Personal @tacticalgamer.com email address
- Personal FTP / Web space
- Access to members-only forums
- Access to members-only FTP for high-speed downloads of the latest patches, mods, etc.
- Cool new supporting member tag
under your forum name - Additional capabilities (e.g. create channels) in Teamspeak
- Ability to join an In-house squad (IHS)
- Reserved slots in most of our game servers
- Priority spot to play in TG events (scrims/tourneys)
- Temporary administrative rights on certain game servers
- PM inbox gets an increase to 500 messages
It doesn't grant you anything else. You do not own a part of TG and get to boss other players around. Your vote doesn't mean anymore then the next players. Your voice is heard the same as any other. We at TG, Now I mean everyone at TG; Apophis, asch, Tempus, the admins, the other supporting members, The IHS leaders, the other game officers, and even the non-supporting members that use TG in every way. They are very thankful of your donation to TG. But thats what it is, a donation. That donation isn't unheard and you are granted gifts for your donation. But take it in modesty and enjoy your gifts. If you have an issue of supporting membership, as a game admin there is next to nothing I can do for you. Only the management of TG can help you resolve issue of the budget of TG. Try and keep this information also private with the management as there is very few here that can do anything for you.
We have over 200 public and sub forums to post in and more that are accessed through IHSs and other areas of management of TG. Keep the posts where they need to be. The 2142 general forum is for general use of the community of 2142. It's to be either game or sub-community related. What to talk about Obama? Post it in the Sandbox forum. Do you have an issue with 2142 or its game play? Post it in the Technical Support & FAQs forum. Have a question about your rig and what you should do for a upgrade? Don't post there, post it in the hardware discussion forum. You'll get much better feedback for your rig. Talk about rounds and missions inside rounds in the AAR forum. Dont gloat or boast your tag kills or the 15 people you killed with random grenades. Tell people about the tactical teamwork you used to outfox the best SLs TG had to throw at you overcoming great odds at 10-25 tickets. Want to discuss a weapon's effectiveness, how to flank a APC or want to suggest a awesome anti-stalemate tactic? Tactics and Missions Discussion forum is for you. 2142 is for the 2142 community and it's sponcered game and mods. Lets keep the forum clean and posts in the right areas.
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I've received PMs. Things I don't like to hear. Things I'm forced to deal with at times. My first step is to make you, the reader aware. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm not saying any person is being punished. But I will tell you I'm trying to prevent future fallouts of these issues from here on out. Lets try and maintain respect for our follow players and let the disruptions die. All they want to do is play a fair game, Let the volunteering admins deal with the issues concerning TG and it's future.
I'm going to leave this thread open. I not leaving this open for discussion or debate. If you have comments or concerns, if you read this post you should be informed enough to know where to post. I will leave this thread open because I want to know what you are going to do for TG to improve this environment and community for everyone to enjoy and promote the values of TG.Last edited by Mordona; 11-25-2008 at 02:09 AM. Reason: Grammer
The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.





From the TG Primer: 2) Create an environment where there is
mutual respect for your fellow gamers and where all members
would be working together to advance the enjoyment of their hobby.
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11-25-2008, 02:50 AM #2
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It is quite ironic that you would make this post as I was reading other posts that would go along with this. In light of recent events and actions, I have taken the time to re-read some threads and old posts. I re-read all of the posts in the thread "waht does it mean to wear the TG tag(http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...gamer-tag.html). The funny thing was to read my own, as this was prior to being an admin.
Read the Gentlemen's agreement, read the wiki's of the IHS's. This is a fine community am I am glad to see this post.
Thank you Eroak
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11-25-2008, 04:50 AM #3
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11-25-2008, 06:00 AM #4
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Great post Eroak. I'm sure all of us are very thankful for the great work Apo, the GOs, admins and everybody else does for free for TG. I can only imagine how unthankful and trying it can seem some times. Anyway, awesome work!
My only general comment is that we are all only human and makes mistakes. New to TG or vet here, we can all slip up now and then because of various reasons. If that happens, i hope we all can show respect and humility towards each other and try to do something positive with the experience always.
This is after all THE premier mature gaming community in the world.












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11-25-2008, 12:54 PM #5
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Everyone deserves a 2nd and sometimes a 3rd and 4th chance. We do slip up as do I myself with cursing. We all need reminders of what to do and whats expected of other players. I'm refusing to take actions upon other players that have caused disruptions. They to only need to be reminded of whats expected, if they are TG at heart and want to play a game. There shall be no more issues. If they continue, well... We'll have to see what happens.
The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.





From the TG Primer: 2) Create an environment where there is
mutual respect for your fellow gamers and where all members
would be working together to advance the enjoyment of their hobby.
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11-25-2008, 03:30 PM #6
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Very VERY well stated, this was a great reminder for me. Thank you for what you and the other admins do to keep this community running to its fullest capacity!
Proud to have been an Irregular!






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11-25-2008, 03:38 PM #7
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I, um, knew there was some drama or whatever going on, but.... I didn't realize it was this bad. I, for my part, do my best all the time to make TG proud and respect anyone and everyone that I meet here.
(even if that respect means I squeal in excitement to my squad if I manage to kill you
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11-25-2008, 04:00 PM #8
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From personal experience, the community has great times and not so great times. Then the admins do their really difficult jobs of maintaining quality and order around here. When that's done, it causes us to refocus on what's important and move forwards to new heights of gaming excellence and maturity.
Let's all focus on improving and realizing the ideal of "The Premier Online Community for Mature Gamers". In the words of the famous and wise sage John "Bluto" Blutarsky .... "Who's with me???"
Thanks for keeping us all on track and volunteering so much time and effort.Without darkness, how could we measure the light?

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11-25-2008, 05:04 PM #9
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Guys, if you don't agree with what's stated in a post, you could always take that up with the person who posted it--regardless of their position within the organization--rather than adding disparaging tags to the post itself. Let's try to stay objective and respectful here.

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11-25-2008, 05:47 PM #10
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I'm confused. Is this because people asked about where the $8.95 is going?
Honestly Eroak, perhaps a few people know what you're talking about, but I bet the vast majority have no clue.
Life is uncertain. Ride your best horse first.
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11-25-2008, 06:10 PM #11
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If you not involved then dont worry about it, Just do as I ask in the issues respect, IHS issues and server issues please. I'm not going to make people privite issues, public.
/sigh/
Ok I dont care about receiving thanks and +rep. I dont want medals and merit. I dont want anyone offended or to call people out. All I want is for this community to get out of this current funk and get back to improving itself. Dont worry about the issues if your not involved. Don't worry about thanking me. Just generate ideas on how to improve, volunteer, or to make others enjoy their game more. This is yet another thread going off track.The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.





From the TG Primer: 2) Create an environment where there is
mutual respect for your fellow gamers and where all members
would be working together to advance the enjoyment of their hobby.
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11-25-2008, 08:39 PM #12
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11-25-2008, 09:30 PM #13
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Wow...just wow.
I can see people doing things like that on other servers and their respective forums, but here? That just doesn't seem right to me. Granted, I'm still relatively new here and on the TG servers, but nonetheless, there's honestly no reason to disrespect the rules here. The server is free, the forums are free, and all you need to do is be respectful and mature here and you've got a seriously incredible experience here on the TG servers. I honestly see no reason why anyone should question the way things are run here, and if they do question them, they should do it in the utmost politeness, since, like Eroak said, we're not paying the bills; Apophis is. If anything, we should thank the admins and Apophis for the time and effort they put into supporting and upholding this server, not questioning their every move/blatantly disregarding what they have to say.
Phew, I'm glad I got that off my chest; it just really annoys me when people don't realize the opportunities that they're given here. They get a free, mature, teamwork-oriented, and IMO, completely awesome server and forum, and all they can do in return is complain.
I'm done now ^__^;;
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11-27-2008, 01:09 PM #14
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This is exactly my sentiment as well. These big posts seem to come up every couple weeks and it's not that clear where they're coming from or what the intention is. I mean, don't just a few PMs to the appropriate people do the job?
I wouldn't have raised this on my own but since you brought it up, don't supporting members actually pay the bills? I appreciate that there's a lot of stuff that goes into making the TG machine go, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that supporting members don't support the real costs of TG and aren't a part of what keeps it "alive".
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11-27-2008, 02:05 PM #15
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Much like the seasons, any community's maturity ebs and flows with membership dynamics. To maintain a certain level of decorum, the existing and long standing members have to re-introduce the aspects that make the TG community what is it to its members. Hence it should be expected to see similar posts show up on the forums to alligned those who have either gone astray or might not even be aware. I would expect no less.
Sometimes it can be a thankless job which kills the enthusiasm which older members either loose sight of what brought them here, forget the main goal or simply move on to other pastures. However, it is also up to us newer members to pick up the torch and keep the flame alive and well. Eroak & co. cannot be expected to be around forever.
Maybe some form of active mentoring would assist in passing on the torch like the LEARN TG sundays or the 3rd's courses. What I mean by active is a more hands on approach. It is one thing to read about on a website. It is another thing to be online, communicating with VoiP and in-game.Imaging a real super kewl 21st signature here
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