Have you guys thought of doing Missionary work?

**Die Nacht** · 02-22-2009, 04:37 PM

I do not know if this have been said before but:

Have you guys thought of doing some missionary on other BF communities? By this I mean trying to convince the other communities to follow the TG Primer (and maybe make their servers also have the wonderful 90 seconds to join a squad or you are out rule).

I love the TG servers, but I must say, two servers are not enough (specially when only one is ever full).

**LogicalHarm** · 02-22-2009, 04:58 PM

I always thought it was the case that all gaming communities/clans are very hostile to other groups recruiting or advertising in their space.

I wouldn't term it 'missionary' work. While we love the TG way, it doesn't necessarily mean others should subscribe to it.

It's a good question though, regarding advertisement of TG etc.

**black_Mirror** · 02-22-2009, 05:03 PM

Well i left a hint on my last community that i found an awesome place to play with fair rules and mature gameplay.. but most of them complained about the ping so...
But Darkness .. you know you could also become a supporting member and get your free slot on the server even while it is full

**Shurikane** · 02-22-2009, 05:20 PM

The TG primer is self-fulfilling. One does not need to outwardly preach it.

I earn my stars because I've done my job and played it smart. I make VoIP-enabled squads, I talk, I report and I inform. I outscore the would-be farmers who camp without a care in the world about their own team and only seek the quickest source for points. It happens on pretty much every server. People who actually work for their team bust a massive score, while those who run for points end up failing at it. Favor to the smart rather than the Rambo.

**Die Nacht** · 02-22-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by black_Mirror

Well i left a hint on my last community that i found an awesome place to play with fair rules and mature gameplay.. but most of them complained about the ping so...

Complain? Who would complain about Global Peace, Cancer cure, end of hunger (yes, that is how I think about the TG belief)?

But Darkness .. you know you could also become a supporting member and get your free slot on the server even while it is full

I'm going to, but since I am College, I do not have a lot of time to play. So immediately vacation starts, I'll spend a lot on TG

Originally Posted by Shurikane

The TG primer is self-fulfilling. One does not need to outwardly preach it.

That is true, but seeing chaos, disorder, and outward stupidity can make you go mad. If you enter a server that is nothing but chaos (everyone for themselves, half the team in lonewolf, the Commander is in front of you shooting at the enemy, your squad members are spread thoughout the map and your squad leader couldn't care less) that stuff can make you just one of them. And thus you start doing just that. So when another person comes in, they see what you saw but plus you, and thus they become one too.

But when you enter a TG server you see the opposite of that, and thus you become that, and thus when the new person come in, they will see what you saw plus you, etc.
Why does it happen? Because the server is backed by this community.

So think, wouldn't it be awesome if there were more communities like this? It is true, the Primer is self-fulfilling, but how many people there most be out there that when they think "a first-person-shooting war game in which people work together yet they are not part of a clan? LMAO!!!!!".
That is why I say that we should work with other big and famous communities to show people that such a thing is possible.

**BeSiege82** · 02-22-2009, 06:11 PM

Ok... if you want to preach the ideals, go ahead, but say nothing about TG and never say anything about recruiting or playing on TG servers...

Your job is to be a good player AND to know how to teach others how to be good team players, which is done best by example. If you wish to use ideas written in the TG-primer, you can, just keep in mind that other players do not need to listen to you or those ideas. Also, keep the TG server absent from your conversations unless asked about your normal haunts.

**SharinganTH1422** · 02-22-2009, 06:19 PM

Believe it or not, not everyone enjoys this way of playing. We might like it, but others play sometimes just for their K/D, on low ping servers where they can test their shooting abilities, and don't care about teamwork or working with anyone else. Some people just want to focus on winning in a small, tight-knit group of extremely skilled players and don't believe in sacrificing a bit to help others with their gameplay. And others just think that the 1 minute or so before a round starts '5uXZ0rz'. To be honest there are quite a few adverts out there for TG. Firstly in America TG is one of the highest ping servers so some may find it just by chance. For the other countries, well there are ExplodingSilver's teamwork videos on Youtube (How I found TG) as well as TG IHS teams being top in stuff like TWL and BFCL over the last few seasons.

And besides, who would we raid

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**Spur** · 02-22-2009, 06:22 PM

Hmmm, missionary work. I like it but but it does get a bit boring.

**Memento-Mori** · 02-22-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

Believe it or not, not everyone enjoys this way of playing. We might like it, but others play sometimes just for their K/D, on low ping servers where they can test their shooting abilities, and don't care about teamwork or working with anyone else. Some people just want to focus on winning in a small, tight-knit group of extremely skilled players and don't believe in sacrificing a bit to help others with their gameplay. And others just think that the 1 minute or so before a round starts '5uXZ0rz'.

I'm probably going to piss people off, but its certainly not my intention to do so. While I admire your take on (let's use the general term "public players" for simplicity) what makes "public players" tic, I'd like to point out that just because they have reasons for doing what they do, does not mean anyone has to respect them for it. One could have reasons for drinking sewer water (one likes the colour, for example), but that does not mean it makes any sense to do so. First, to the K/D guys you pointed out: play single player games. There is just no reason to bother shooting "moving objects that fight back" in multiplayer when that was what singleplayer was designed for. Second, those who play in tight-knit groups; we have a name for those people: they are called elitists. While it sure is nice to play with close friends, if one cannot take a few moments to show some new guys the ropes once and a while then one really is just an elitist.

These people have the same right to drinking sewer water on their own servers as TG does in maintaining its own set of rules. However, that doesn't mean I (or anyone else) has to think that it makes sense (K/D kiddies) or is right to do so (elitism). After all, by playing on the TG server, I am sworn to uphold the rules (even those I don't agree with). That itself is a statement of worth.

To the original poster: I hear you. Just yesterday I played on a NS non-TG server that "encouraged teamplay". Well, one guy out of 20 used his mic for more than scraching the inside of his nose, but I didn't notice anything else of value. There is no question that the enjoyment of true TEAMPLAY in a TEAM-BASED game is pathetically small. That being said, BeSieged is right. Do not advertise the TG server while in-game on any other server. Whether you call it advertisement or missionary work, the meaning is the same. I haven't run into any server which allows any form of "recruitment"; so doing it would be wrong and against the rules you agree to everytime you log onto a server. Not only would you get yourself in trouble, you'll get TG in trouble.

How can one be a decent advertiser or missionary? Lead by example. Even potential situations on TG will require that response sometimes (actually, everyday for those who run in unlocked squads). There is really no other way. You can't "reason" someone off of sewer water when they've been drinking it for years.

**Die Nacht** · 02-22-2009, 08:20 PM

Maybe I shouldn't have use the word "missionary".

I did not mean "go to their servers and advertise", that would be bad. What I meant was that our leaders (or the ones with high positions) talk to the leaders of the big communities (owners of servers) and show them the TG way. If the leaders like the idea, then they can implement it in their servers and forums. But by no way should we advertise in the servers (forums, maybe. But not servers. We do not want to annoy people while they play).

**LogicalHarm** · 02-22-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Memento-Mori

Second, those who play in tight-knit groups; we have a name for those people: they are called elitists. While it sure is nice to play with close friends, if one cannot take a few moments to show some new guys the ropes once and a while then one really is just an elitist.

These people have the same right to drinking sewer water on their own servers as TG does in maintaining its own set of rules. However, that doesn't mean I (or anyone else) has to think that it makes sense (K/D kiddies) or is right to do so (elitism). After all, by playing on the TG server, I am sworn to uphold the rules (even those I don't agree with). That itself is a statement of worth.

There is no question that the enjoyment of true TEAMPLAY in a TEAM-BASED game is pathetically small.

That's a pretty hypocritical post regarding elitism. You can't slate people for being elitist while telling someone that their actions are wrong. Compared to the whole 2142 player base, TG is exactly that - a tight knit group.

You say yourself that the proportion of the player-base that enjoys teamwork as we enjoy it is v.small. That's a majority who think differently to you. Have you considered that the majority may be right?

**Mordona** · 02-22-2009, 08:28 PM

We dont push our way upon other communities and we expect the same. There is no right way to play these games and whats allowed here compared to whats allowed in another server is good and healthy for all players. Some players thrive on anarchy and play better on it, some what to play smarter "bots" but not want to engage in voice comms. Thats fine, thats their choice and they are more then allowed to presue that course. We as TG chose to take up our primer and play based on our goals for these games. We ask other communities not to force their ideals of gameplay on our site and servers. We wish to preserve our way and allow ourselves to evolve TG the way we want to.

To preach to other communities that our way is better is something no person should do out of respect for the other communties chosen way to play. That said, will usally offer many ways to help communites that request it. While coding and scripts our kept tight, ideals and ways the achive them are things we can pass on when requested.

**Sargentkyle23** · 02-22-2009, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Eroak

We dont push our way upon other communities and we expect the same. There is no right way to play these games and whats allowed here compared to whats allowed in another server is good and healthy for all players. Some players thrive on anarchy and play better on it, some what to play smarter "bots" but not want to engage in voice comms. Thats fine, thats their choice and they are more then allowed to presue that course. We as TG chose to take up our primer and play based on our goals for these games. We ask other communities not to force their ideals of gameplay on our site and servers. We wish to preserve our way and allow ourselves to evolve TG the way we want to.

To preach to other communities that our way is better is something no person should do out of respect for the other communties chosen way to play. That said, will usally offer many ways to help communites that request it. While coding and scripts our kept tight, ideals and ways the achive them are things we can pass on when requested.

well said!

**BeSiege82** · 02-22-2009, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Eroak

We dont push our way upon other communities and we expect the same. There is no right way to play these games and whats allowed here compared to whats allowed in another server is good and healthy for all players. Some players thrive on anarchy and play better on it, some what to play smarter "bots" but not want to engage in voice comms. Thats fine, thats their choice and they are more then allowed to presue that course. We as TG chose to take up our primer and play based on our goals for these games. We ask other communities not to force their ideals of gameplay on our site and servers. We wish to preserve our way and allow ourselves to evolve TG the way we want to.

To preach to other communities that our way is better is something no person should do out of respect for the other communties chosen way to play. That said, will usally offer many ways to help communites that request it. While coding and scripts our kept tight, ideals and ways the achive them are things we can pass on when requested.

Thank you.

I have one question, Eroak, why are the coding and scripting knowledge so protected? Is this knowledge held so tightly because of its possible use for hacking?

**Memento-Mori** · 02-23-2009, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by LogicalHarm

That's a pretty hypocritical post regarding elitism. You can't slate people for being elitist while telling someone that their actions are wrong. Compared to the whole 2142 player base, TG is exactly that - a tight knit group.

You say yourself that the proportion of the player-base that enjoys teamwork as we enjoy it is v.small. That's a majority who think differently to you. Have you considered that the majority may be right?

Majority being right in what exactly? That point isn't defined, so it is useless. In a team-based game the "majority" play like they are alone is not only stupid, it also hinders those who came thinking being on a team meant something. This is Battlefield we are talking about, not Halo or any other capture the flag FPS (with "team-play" graphed on). As regards your point about TG being a tight knit group, I disagree completely. TG is quite large, spanning many games and, indeed, many play styles, with a strong emphasis on teamwork (among other things). Obviously, I am not in position to state that authoritively, but I imagine I am partly right in this regard. Not all rules on TG are good for everyone, but a proper understanding of teamwork is essential to any community based game (actually, community based anything in life). With no effort, teamwork itself dies. And with teamwork dying, any community worth the name dies as well.

The majority, in this case, only exists because of laziness and long time lack of effort. DICE brought in squad voice (and the command system) in order to bring team work to the player base. This was rejected not because the player base didn't want it, but because it was too hard to maintain. Look at Bad Company with their automated team oriented features.

(By the way, how could what I said be hypocritical? I said anyone who plays in tight knit groups and EXCLUDES newbs are elitists. That is inimical to TG. So, where does the hypocrisy come in? Since I defined elitism as something different than what you did, your charge of hypocrisy is empty. I am a jerk, not a hypocrite. Learn your insults, boy!)