Re: SL to SL voip channels = AWESOMENESS

**Lyramion** · 03-01-2009, 03:02 PM

I think you have it all wrong. We need to ban SL to SL communication in teamspeak as well as elsewhere.

We also need to make sure people don´t bypass this and cheat by meeting up in real life and coodinating the Squads there.

For example:

- Roommates need to turn on death metal loud to the point one cannot understand the other

- Arithea and Aruncado are banned from Squadleading forever unless they move into seperate flats

**Memento-Mori** · 03-01-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lyramion

Insert angry comments here that would lead to a ban if spoken out

Inserts angry rebuttle to previous comment that would be also banned if spoken.

**Exploding_Silver** · 03-01-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Damonte

A few points that need to be made very clear:

- Tactical Gamer is a place that promotes gameplay with an emphasis on teamwork and tactics. The idea is that regardless of individual skill level, a team with superior teamwork and superior tactics will defeat a team which has superior individual skill. I think that we can all agree with this premise.

- TeamSpeak is an asset that is provided by TG to bring about greater teamwork and greater tactics through communication. TeamSpeak does not improve individual skill.

- It is not an exploit of the game mechanics to use TeamSpeak to communicate outside the squad and SL-CO channels that are built into the BF2142 game. Period.

Tactical Gamer was founded to provide a place where individuals who wanted to enjoy these aspects of gaming (teamwork and tactics) in their fullest could do so. The idea was to raise the bar and keep it high. Tactical Gamer is not for everyone. Over time the community grows as more people who find agreement with the principles, intentions and Primer of Tactical Gamer wander in and never wander out. TG BF2142 is a wonderful sub-community of a much larger and wonderful community.

We should be focusing on raising the bar, not lowering it. One's abilities, whether they be squad leading or coordination or situational awareness or even individual skill, they improve best when faced with an obstacle or a challenge that needs to be overcome. We shouldn't dumbing down the quality of the play. We should be encouraging, helping and striving to climb up to the same level.

TeamSpeak, in of itself, is not unbalancing. It is available to everyone. SL-SL communication is available to everyone. This issue is NOT about Teamspeak. It's about people.

So let's talk about what we, as the people of the TG BF2142 community, will do to encourage the quality of teamwork and tactics regardless of the tools at everyone's disposal.

Please re-read this post by Damonte, its well put

The channels aren't going away, so lets turn the conversation into how to use them well in practice, the AWESOMENESS is out there waiting for us !

**SharinganTH1422** · 03-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Just to let everyone know, I'm a huge supporter of the idea SL-to-SL communication thing, I think it can take teamwork to another level and wondered previously to when it was made official if such a thing could be invented, but my laziness always prevented me from seriously from following up which is why people like Silver are just awesome for doing so much to further the idea and help idiots like me to implement this stuff.

I was just wondering if anyone had a counter-argument to the idea that newbs to the server can't join in immediately on the SL^_^SL fun, because I sure can't think of one. This argument is enough for me to question the idea which seemed awesome at first, since growth is imperative to our community, but I think Silver's suggested messages which are very short (almost as much as the current one for TS, and therefore won't be taking up extensive space if I'm estimating correctly) and get the necessary point across. In fact this could increase growth if people realise that there's another layer of awesomeness on top of the in-game stuff they're already experiencing.

And yes I am arguing with myself. Deal with it.

**Repaq** · 03-01-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

Just to let everyone know, I'm a huge supporter of the idea SL-to-SL communication thing, I think it can take teamwork to another level and wondered previously to when it was made official if such a thing could be invented, but my laziness always prevented me from seriously from following up which is why people like Silver are just awesome for doing so much to further the idea and help idiots like me to implement this stuff.

I was just wondering if anyone had a counter-argument to the idea that newbs to the server can't join in immediately on the SL^_^SL fun, because I sure can't think of one. This argument is enough for me to question the idea which seemed awesome at first, since growth is imperative to our community, but I think Silver's suggested messages which are very short (almost as much as the current one for TS, and therefore won't be taking up extensive space if I'm estimating correctly) and get the necessary point across. In fact this could increase growth if people realise that there's another layer of awesomeness on top of the in-game stuff they're already experiencing.

And yes I am arguing with myself. Deal with it.

But the same could be said of the "Newb" looking for a greater challenge.

**Aumen1** · 03-01-2009, 06:34 PM

I had two people today ask if they could join TG. New people want to join because they like the environment, teamwork, camaraderie and respect which is supplanted with-in.

Like Repaq said "a greater challenge." TG is perhaps something more than they have come across before in the online gaming community which offers a wide variety of challenges.

So can a new player immediately join the full aspects of unique game-play that TG offers, no. Can we help them understand how, yes. Do we help them understand, yes. Can we do better at helping them understand – always, and there is the crux of the issue what is the best way to help those outside the community understand. First everyone that is TG should understand how it works by reading the awesome Silver guide, second they should read Damonte’s prior post to understand better understand the TG position.

From the seasoned player to the new player who involves themselves on our server; they know communities such as TG offer the something unique and that is why they join us. We are here and reading this to foster a community, of which members are guided by ethics of the established rules, and where TG morals (gentlemens aggree.) are a guide those ethics to be enforced and to have fun. Let us not forget this.

Pred brought up an issue, that to him is a big deal, we must respect that. We must avoid name calling, pointing fingers, lazy disregard for another’s wish to make something better and desire to and understand how TG works. We all have different viewpoints and come from different places we must remember and respect that.

**Zhohar** · 03-01-2009, 07:21 PM

Teamstacking is a serious issue, and it's never fun to be on the side that is losing. But we can't let that stop us from persuing new heights of teamwork and communication.

If teamstacking does occur, then bring it up in the main channel, and I believe our community is mature and reasonable enough that we can sort it out amongst ourselves.
I do not believe that we need to abolish this novel, interesting, fun, and valuable way of teamworking just to ward off possible teamstacking. It seems like we're catering to the lowest common denominator in that case, and that just tastes sour in my mouth.

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