Originally Posted by Zhohar

I don't agree with you. Let's use 14 as a medium number. Four people can easily defend Columns. From my experience even in Conquest Shingle, I will only assault Columns if I have Command, or get the clear from a CO. It is an extremely difficult flag to take.

Furthering this, any attempt to take the somewhat sane path of going north first, then taking catwalks is stopped by the fact that there are people at Command who I cannot touch because a) it is an uncap so I can't shoot first, and b) it is on higher ground.

I am focusing on Columns because it takes so little to defend it proper, and because it is the only higher ground on the map, it is very important. This creates a number imbalance in any of the satellite flags that the EU hits: they are fighting against larger numbers ... and on top of which, unless they catch a lucky break, they are most certanly being rocketed from higher ground: Columns or Command, take your pick.

I enjoy Berlin, and I usually win it as PAC. It is a difficult map, but nowhere near as difficult as Shingle AL.

I love playing Berlin as PAC too. I'll always choose to go PAC if given a choice (as I will with any assault map [besides shingle/ns maps]). But if two evenly matched (and good) sides with 23 players each face against each other, the chances of breaking through is very small.

That said, it makes succeeding all the more rewarding as it's usually through ingenuity. It also highlights a well coordinating squad well.

As for Shingle, my compy gave out fairly close to when Shingle came out, so my experience is limited. I'll defer to your knowledge of it. But in my experience, the fewer people you place in a map, the more the increase in flags accessible to the assaulting team results in options.

Anyway, it's sort of pointless. I'm not advocating reducing the number of players. That's been tried multiple times and it's almost always a bust for the public server.